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Are We BU for not "supporting" our friend?

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algreaves1987 · 03/11/2023 22:44

This is a scenario that myself and my husband were both witness to and it's now causing a huge problem! FYI we have all known each other since our teenage years so a long time.

A(she)+B(he)= married couple (together 17 years married 10)
C(She)+D(he)= Long-term partners (15 years!)
Us! (Married 12 years together for 15)

We are all in our late 30s if that helps.

We were out at a nice restaurant. Since COVID we haven't seen that much of each other so we all agreed to get a nice hotel overnight and go out for dinner and drinks at the halfway point (the furthest between us is about 3 hours). So we meet at the hotel have a chat then go and get ready. Everything is fine at this point. We meet in the lobby and A seems a little icy with B but not that awful, in my opinion. Please note that in my opinion, B can quite often be very rude (lacks social skills - not from any issues - just doesn't care how other people feel at times).

We get a cab and go to the restaurant. We get seated and B's phone goes off and he goes outside to talk to his parents. A is instantly pissed off. She makes comments like "Here we go again" "Why can't they leave him alone for 5 minutes" etc. It's awkward but my husband does an amazing job of turning it around and we are all laughing within a few minutes.

B comes back and A literally just ignores him. He tries to talk to her, but she won't engage. At this point this is more than just the phone call I think, something is clearly going on but I really don't want to get involved and my husband and I have been looking forward to this for a few weeks. We get drinks and order food. B started talking to me and my husband asking about work. A is currently working part-time (she was a full-time social worker and just couldn't hack it - we all agree personally that she's been much happier since she dropped her hours in half and her caseload). If it's relevant here both my husband and I work full time and have the most income - significantly. If you add the rest of their incomes together it doesn't come to half what we make and for some reason, this seems to really interest B - in fact, we discuss it nearly every time we see him!

He asks us about how we divide chores etc in the house - we have a cleaner so that helps but previously we just split things between us depending on who wanted to do what. He then asks me directly whether I help my husband's parents. I haven't spoken to my MIL for nearly 3 years due to the issues I have with her behavior. I don't air our private issues in public - I know my husband is upset that there is no relationship between myself and his family but he also knows that his family caused this so doesn't blame me. I don't want to talk about it as I don't want to rub it in his face. He then hypothetically asked me "If my MIL had, had surgery and couldn't get around and needed help and was very elderly would I consider helping her in the evenings?" Again to not rub things in my husband's face I said "That would depend on my availability - work and family considering". He asked me if I would be open to it and I said sure. At this point, the dinner arrives. We are chomping away and commenting on how delicious the dinner is when suddenly A just gets up and walks out. We are all dumbfounded except B. He carries on eating his dinner telling us to do the same because she is just doing it for "attention". At this point, I feel like all the questioning me about my in-laws has something to do with it.

I tried to call A multiple times. I called the hotel (about 20 minutes after she left) to ask if she had arrived etc but they wouldn't advise me. We finished our meal, had another drink and I said to my husband that I wanted to go back to the hotel because I was no longer comfortable. He agreed. B was fuming, telling us that "she does this all the time to spoil things" and "she'll be back in about an hour completely fine and pretend that she had some emergency". I wasn't buying it. A had gotten upset over the years with comments made (and she had made quite a few herself to others) but she hadn't just walked out and disappeared.

When we got back to the hotel we called other friends and people we knew who knew her to see if anyone had heard from her because B said she wasn't in the hotel room and she'd taken her bag. Their car was still in the car park though. B just went to bed. He wasn't interested in looking. At this point, we felt like there wasn't much we could do but wait so we stayed up watched a crappy movie, and called a couple more times but ultimately went to sleep. The following morning still nothing. B went back home. We got a frantic call from him just over 3 hours later to tell us that she'd been home and most of her things were gone. At this point, my husband just asks him plainly what's going on. He explains that his mother became ill about 10 weeks ago and needed help. His father was very old-fashioned and not coping that well. In their house B is the higher earner but works 12-hour shifts so helping wasn't an option (in his eyes at least). A had put up with a lot from MIL - she'd been rude, deliberately excluded her from Christmas, and took away special moments from her (they have a daughter). To be honest I am really lucky with my husband, he fully supports me but I don't think B supported A at all whilst this was happening. A told us that he kept pushing and telling her that she wasn't making the effort. In the last 4 years, he stopped forcing the relationship - or so we thought.

This happened 2 weeks ago. She removed herself from our WhatsApp group. She sent me and our other friend C a message stating that she was upset that none of us girls " stood up" for her when it was clear that B was referring to her not helping and that she needed some space. She blocked both of us after that.
C feels like A has a point because it was obvious that B was talking about A not helping with his mother (at the time not that obvious to me, but hey ho). C and I also know that 4 years ago A's father died (her mother died nearly 20 years ago) and she was working full-time. B told her they couldn't afford for her to go part-time so she could spend more time with her dad. B said that they had Debts to pay still (turns out very little Debt and B was just saving money for "stuff"). A worked full time and went around there most evenings but cut down because B was complaining that he was working long hours and it wasn't fair he was coming home to having to do all the child care so that A could go around there. She felt like he didn't want her to help her dad out. He died and A was distraught. B did apologise for his behaviour repeatedly but things were really rocky between them for about 8 months. Honestly, I thought she was going to leave him. Their daughter was 3 at this point.

So B's mum came out of the hospital and B wants A to go around and nurse her back to health now she is part-time. According to B A laughed in his face and told him she doesn't care if she dies - he'd finally understand then. He said he'd only brought it up a few times over the last 10 weeks - I'm guessing that isn't true because I know B. When he wants something he's like a bulldog. B knows A doesn't want to be anywhere near him and he hasn't seen his daughter for 2 weeks now. He's expecting a divorce proceedings to start.

Both me, my husband, and C feel like B is the AH here but D thinks that A had her chance to leave him 4 years ago and that she is deliberately doing this out of spite. I don't feel it's the same because MIL is apparently nowhere as ill as her dad was (although her dad didn't engage with GPs etc so none of us really knew how ill he really was until he died).

Really sorry for the long post but basically me and C are getting hateful messages on Facebook from her other friends telling us what scumbags we are and how we don't deserve to live and now I am feeling pretty low about it all. I want to talk to A but I can't.

Are we BU for not supporting her during the dinner? I have told B that until I get A's side of the story I am not taking sides at all, my husband agrees. We know A can also be a little hot-headed (but to be honest we think B is way over the line here)

OP posts:
SS1983 · 04/11/2023 09:05

This is such a long write up ,

Given the context of the issue and question, what does the fact you earn so much more than your friends have anything to do with it (and make the text even longer with that added detail )

mum11970 · 04/11/2023 09:20

Spirallingdownwards · 03/11/2023 23:00

Yes even from your post it was bloody obvious when he was probing about whether you would help MIL that he was making pointed remarks about her. In reality you wouldn't help your MIL so why did you pretend it would depend on your availability and not just say that's a flat-out no!

No wonder A left. Good for her.

If you want a relationship for her apologise and say you were trying to avoid a confrontation and that it has backfired.

This ⬆️
It was as clear as the nose on your face why B was asking all those questions about your MIL and you even gave him ammunition to use against A by lying. You were no friend at all that night.
No excuse for A’s friends’ behaviour but that’s them not her.

Pacificisolated · 04/11/2023 09:20

Come on. You just wanted to placate B for an easy life at the expense of A’s wellbeing. As if you didn’t realise why he was asking. He’s clearly an arsehole and was trying to make a point.

lljkk · 04/11/2023 09:21

The short story is ... A walked out of a group meal then reappeared then disappeared the next day then declared everyone was being unsupportive when 'everyone' didn't know hardly anything about her difficult family life, right? You don't trust B or B's version of events but evidently, A likes to exagerate & say crazy stuff, too.

I would be very intrigued to know what A has told the people sending hate messages. And how much that doesn't match any reality. Is the only reason I can imagine keeping any contact with any of these people. But then I enjoy observing nutty selfish stuff people get up to.

PegasusReturns · 04/11/2023 09:23

B is an arsehole.

You are at best stupid - it was obvious B was drawing you into a personal issue.

At worst you’re a bitch “she was a full-time social worker and just couldn't hack it” WTAF, she’d lost her dad and was traumatised by not being able to care for him.

Good for A. I hope she gets a divorce and better friends.

Figgygal · 04/11/2023 09:25

Sounds like you better off without both of them tbh

Itsbritneybitch22 · 04/11/2023 09:32

YABU ffs

You know you are.

Walkaround · 04/11/2023 09:32

SS1983 · 04/11/2023 09:05

This is such a long write up ,

Given the context of the issue and question, what does the fact you earn so much more than your friends have anything to do with it (and make the text even longer with that added detail )

Tbh, I think it’s an explanation that the OP is used to B asking intrusive and inappropriate questions which cast the OP and her dh in a good light in B’s eyes and which he then uses against A, who wanted to work part time in order to help her dying father and because she had an emotionally draining and exhausting job that doesn’t pay as much as B would like. After a while, I guess she developed a rather thick skin about it, as it was normal for him, and enjoyed the sense of superiority it gave her over A and B, which is evident from aspects of her post.

It seems the OP was utterly incapable of stepping off her ridiculous pedestal on the night in order to help A and was instead focused on retaining an air of superiority when she could have chosen instead to be empathetic and a bit self-deprecating for the benefit of her friend. Far too much keeping up appearances at others’ expense, but pretty much the pattern of that friendship, by the sounds of it.

Topseyt123 · 04/11/2023 09:35

Pumpkinspicelattetime · 03/11/2023 23:25

A's friends are out of line sending abusive messages to you. B is a complete dickhead for how he has been treating A for years. And, given you earn so much (which you were so keen to tell us about), I wonder how you are so socially inept you didn't realise what B was doing at the meal. I clued in after your first sentence about it. I wonder how many other times you've sided with the piece of shit bullying his wife.

Same here. I got it straight away too. I don't believe that you couldn't see what B was doing as it's one of the oldest tricks in the book. He was trying to publicly shame and browbeat A by getting you to support his stance.

I would have told B publicly to back off.

Good for A for leaving. Though she shouldn't have got her other friends to abuse you online. That is too much. I can see why she is furious with you for being so stupid and inept though.

ShouldIbeLeftWithLess · 04/11/2023 09:44

I think it was obvious what B was referring to.

I also think A is very aware of her friends sending you hateful for messages and she is clearly happy for them to do so which says a lot about her.

So I'd leave them both to it now. It doesn't really sound like you were super close anyway.

Ktime · 04/11/2023 09:45

Itsbritneybitch22 · 04/11/2023 09:32

YABU ffs

You know you are.

Make sense, ffs.

ExtraOnions · 04/11/2023 09:52

If I were out with friends I had known for a long time, and there was clearly an issue between them, I would ask what was going on rather than ignoring it… that gets you precisely nowhere

Wouldyouguess · 04/11/2023 09:54

lljkk · 04/11/2023 09:21

The short story is ... A walked out of a group meal then reappeared then disappeared the next day then declared everyone was being unsupportive when 'everyone' didn't know hardly anything about her difficult family life, right? You don't trust B or B's version of events but evidently, A likes to exagerate & say crazy stuff, too.

I would be very intrigued to know what A has told the people sending hate messages. And how much that doesn't match any reality. Is the only reason I can imagine keeping any contact with any of these people. But then I enjoy observing nutty selfish stuff people get up to.

A probably told them the facts, that OP pretended to be obtuse and lied which helped to support B's argument against her and that C also sat her like a mummy, and her silence further supported B being a c*. She saw her 'friends' for what they really were.

MrsHarrisAParis · 04/11/2023 09:54

It was blatantly obvious that the pointed questions were a way to get at his DW. Not only did you not stick up for her, you also lied about what a 'dutiful wife' would do because you have no relationship with your MIL at all.
Considering you know so much about A's relationship with her ILs, it's possible she knows about your's too and had already made the point to B that his expectations were unrealistic and that you wouldn't help your MIL. So not only did you engage with B's bullshit, you also lied (which made A seem even worse by comparison) and possibly made A seem like a liar if she had mentioned your rubbish relationship with your MIL before.
It's interesting that B and D both seem like arses. How have you ended up with a friendship group where all the men are awful?
Just block the random message-senders on Facebook.

JaneAustensHeroine · 04/11/2023 09:54

Walkaround · 04/11/2023 09:32

Tbh, I think it’s an explanation that the OP is used to B asking intrusive and inappropriate questions which cast the OP and her dh in a good light in B’s eyes and which he then uses against A, who wanted to work part time in order to help her dying father and because she had an emotionally draining and exhausting job that doesn’t pay as much as B would like. After a while, I guess she developed a rather thick skin about it, as it was normal for him, and enjoyed the sense of superiority it gave her over A and B, which is evident from aspects of her post.

It seems the OP was utterly incapable of stepping off her ridiculous pedestal on the night in order to help A and was instead focused on retaining an air of superiority when she could have chosen instead to be empathetic and a bit self-deprecating for the benefit of her friend. Far too much keeping up appearances at others’ expense, but pretty much the pattern of that friendship, by the sounds of it.

@Walkaround Absolutely spot on assessment of the situation. This is more about keeping up appearances and superiority than it is a friendship.

FreebieWallopFridge · 04/11/2023 10:01

I cannot fathom how you didn’t realise what he was doing, especially with the history. How obtuse can you be?

In her position I would feel about you as a group just as she seems to. Honestly, you should all be ashamed of yourselves.

FreebieWallopFridge · 04/11/2023 10:04

“we think B is way over the line here”

then grow a pair and tell him that.

How utterly spineless.

formulaonecar · 04/11/2023 10:04

At worst you’re a bitch “she was a full-time social worker and just couldn't hack it” WTAF, she’d lost her dad and was traumatised by not being able to care for him

I agree- what an incredibly nasty way to refer to a friend who has a very difficult job. I'd like to see you do that work. You got everything you deserved and I'm not surprised A no longer wants to speak to you if thats how you describe your "friends". Urgh.

mouldyfalafel · 04/11/2023 10:10

Yeah, yeah- we get it. You earn soooo much more than them, she couldnt "hack" her job as a social worker (what a failing on her part eh?), you lied about looking about looking after your MIL to keep up the pretence of being such a wonderful giving person and now you're mad because your friend doesnt want to hang out with you.

I wonder why.....

billy1966 · 04/11/2023 10:13

B is utter scum, yet you intend to stay neutral?....again.

Of course it was very very clear what was behind B's conversation.

I cannot believe anyone is so obtuse.

It sounds like A has terrible trauma from her hubands lies and financial abuse of her while her father was dying.

He behaved like a horror yet you are still happy to be friends with him.

Your salary has no bearing on this but somehow it does for you🤷🏻‍♀️

The friends of A sending you nasty messages should be blocked obviously.

But you and your husband are not nice friends and that you would continue to associate with B says absolute volumes about you both.

Decent people wouldn't want to be near such utter scum knowing how he treated his wife when her father was dying, yet you can't join two massive dots as he attempts to bully her in public.

Truly awful behaviour.

"A" is correct to block you.

She saw you both very clearly having your happily obtuse conversation and wants nothing further to do with you.

A has had a dogs life with B.
She sounds as if she has been abused for years.

Perhaps she didn't feel able to leave immediately after the death of her beloved father.

She has the strength now and is also cutting out some awful non friends at the same time.

Good luck to her.

Didimum · 04/11/2023 10:14

My thoughts:

90% of that was so irrelevant (include your significantly higher income 🙄 why did that need any mention at all?)

Find it almost impossible to believe that a bunch of 30-somethings are sending you harassing Facebook messages – it’s one at best, or that part is invented. Regardless, block them.

You’re way too invested in your friends’ marriage. Focus on your own life and move on.

You should not be posting online publicly about them in such detail. That’s unacceptable.

Desperateinseattle · 04/11/2023 10:16

B is a cunt and she should absolutely divorce him.

you were a bad friend during that dinner and I cannot fathom how it wasn’t obvious to you. I think you were purposefully ignoring his intent.

but this:

Really sorry for the long post but basically me and C are getting hateful messages on Facebook from her other friends telling us what scumbags we are and how we don't deserve to live and now I am feeling pretty low about it all. I want to talk to A but I can't.

wtaf?!

BungleandGeorge · 04/11/2023 10:17

You were wrong to lie and say you would look after your MIL, does A know that you’re estranged? Perhaps there’s other times when she’s felt unsupported? I can see why she’s angry about the situation but ultimately it’s down to her and her husband and not anyone outside. She does appear to be overreacting towards you. When couples split up it often does end couple friendships, I would just wait for it to blow over.

BungleandGeorge · 04/11/2023 10:19

Regarding Facebook- just set messenger not to accept messages from people not on you friends list!

LunaMay · 04/11/2023 10:22

They both sound awful to be honest.

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