Just fucking sick of dogs

[crazyaginglady]

Sorry but I am. I was cycling home from
picking up DS from school with him on the back and a dog came running up beside
me snarling and snapping at my feet on the pedals. I nearly bloody went over but managed to keep my balance and get past it (electric bike). Owner called an apology and I just rode on as it was still off the lead and I was worried for DS.

This is a national cycling path and much used school route so there are always bikes and children 8-9 and 3-4.

A sausage dog decided to bolt towards my 2 year old last month in the park for no apparent reason and I had to scoop him
up to avoid contact.

And don’t get me started in the ‘oh he’s just being friendly’. I don’t want your fucking dog jumping on me or my children or scaring my kids when we are just going about our day.

They should ALL be on leads unless they are in a dog park/field.

Having said that I do think licences for all dog owners need to be brought in. You need to have some basic knowledge or commitment to learn how to care for them properly and teach them too... I think too many people get dogs , that they then struggle with keeping and controlling and then issues starts to form. I'd happily support that ! Mind... I think that way about kids too sometimes if you see some parenting :-) but that's another story lol

I mean I’d have thought they were smarter than a 2yo. I once met a dog who understood sign language and could kind of do some back!

I love dogs and have two of my own, yet even I’m getting sick of the sight of them. It’s not the dogs, it’s the ever growing number of moronic owners. I’m sick of hearing about dog attacks in the news, I’m sick of going for a Sunday roast and having to sit next to yapping dogs, I’m sick of having to protect my own dogs from out of control off lead dogs, I’m sick of having to pick my grandaughter up in a fucking children’s play park because there is an out of control dog bouncing around.

Bring back licensing and actually enforce it this time.

My dog can read a number of commands off flash cards.

@MuckyElbows so can mine ! But weve used pictures not words....

It’s impossible to reason with the more doting sort of dog lover. These threads generally descend into dog owners’ weird and loathsome comparisons between dogs and children. Some dog owners even give out signs that they think their dogs are their children - which is horrible looked at one way, and pitiable if looked at more kindly.

But it is heartening to see that 77% of the poll agree that there are too many pet dogs in public places. Perhaps we’re approaching a point when the majority will be able to get sensible measures introduced that will better ensure that dogs are kept under control and stop pet dogs being in shops, cafes, restaurants and other places.

Thing is though, it's surely up to the owner of the establishment whether they allow dogs or not? Restaurants/cafes etc that allow dogs are definitely in the minority. Just don't go in them if you don't like them.

I'd say there are plenty of dogs with more intelligence than most some of the anti dog posters on this thread, some probably smell better too.

@WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps I get your point bug this is a little harsh and even offensive and unkind...some people are unable to have kids and to them...the animals are like their kids. Don't judge....

That is really not true.

Except for the "quiet" carriages on trains which seem to deliberately be targeted by people with noisy young kids.

It is also not a craze to allow them to visit. Pets as Therapy dogs has been going on for a long time (40 years). I used to work in a kid's hospital, and we had a lovely lab who used to come visit the patients

Well all I can say is thank goodness they didn't send a dog into hospital when I was there as a child.

They are quite definitely in the majority, not the minority.

Very few cafes refuse access to dogs.

Then don't use them. Their establishments, their rules. There are far more indoor places dogs aren't allowed than where they are. Find somewhere else.

I think the point that’s being made is that they shouldn’t be allowed to admit dogs, except for the usual, genuine exemptions.

A business has to observe the law on food hygiene, health and safety of employees, fire regs, occupier’s liability and other things. A dog ban should be added.

A ban on dogs in business premises open to the public would benefit everyone. For the public, no dogs. For the business there’d be no pressure to allow dogs for fear of losing custom.

All round improvement.

Everyone with a weird hang up about dogs, you mean. Dog-friendly pubs are going nowhere, any more than cat cafés.

Dogs and people have been living together for at least 30, 000 years. Our last common ancestor was only 82.5million years ago- a mere blip in the history of the evolution of life on Earth. We are privileged to share this world with them, and I hope they find a way to survive when we are gone.

It’s really not weird to not want dogs around. It is weird - or at least very selfish - to think that you can impose your dog on others.

I can see that pubs could be legislated for through their licences. So rural pubs with the right set-up could be allowed to admit dogs, but not others. I can’t honestly see much relevance in cat cafes - cats being completely different to dogs - but I’d happily ban all animals from anywhere that sells food or drink, some pubs and possibly a few other places (like kiosks with only outdoor seating) being exceptions.

As for history, humans have never historically treated dogs as fur babies. And most of the world still doesn’t. There’s no historical justification for any of this dog worship.

Yea I can’t imagine that 30 years ago people were shouting it’s ok he’s friendly” as their mutt gets it’s teeth round your coat sleeve

In defence of dog owners....I've never wanted kids and believe dogs should be treated like dogs, so if you're talking about people who dress up their dogs etc than I am with you. However, I've got my first puppy and it's sleepless nights, never finishing a meal as they demand stuff, having to dog proof my flat as they put everything in their mouth (like toddlers), rearranging work and worrying senseless when they get sick, trying to get them to eat when they start being picky (especially puppies where they’re growing and need certain nutrients), having to get a 'sitter' in when I go out, setting a routine to make sure they have enough rest, managing their medicine, managing their behaviour around other humans, dogs, busy roads etc (basically teaching them how to live in society as you do with kids), making sure they're safe and happy and nothing frightens or harms them so they don't have any lasting psychological issues (which for some includes not leaving them home alone all the time), and pouring all my time, love and money into them. I cannot see how this is any different to the experience of having kids and other dog owners I know who also have kids tell me this. In fact they say dogs can be more work. Basically we have to put this living thing first, it's a huge responsibility and good dog owners are invested as dogs take the same as kids do - our time, our love, our money, and our freedom in some cases.
Also science has proved dogs and humans bond in the same way mothers bond with their babies, we release the same love chemical, so scientifically we're programmed to get super attached to the furry buggers. So its understandable people see them as a huge, important part of their life and family. My dog is not my child but he is the closest I have ever come to that experience in terms of the massive responsibility and love (minus childbirth obviously!)

And I realise I've just backed up your argument that we're 'O.T.T' (seemingly) with our dogs but times have changed, 100 years ago I wouldn't be living near a road in an over-populated area and I could let the mutt run around. Also we're more aware of the awful treatment of dogs by other countries these days so using that as an example doesn't work. It's why people here have rescues from Greece, Romania etc. People have evolved with how they treat kids. I'm a 70's kid and left to my own devices, my Gen Z niece is 21 and still treated like she's 10.

Dogs are pets. Not the same as having a kid. Not the same as a human, even a small one
I don't like my peace and space invaded. Whether they are invaded in appropriately by a dog of a kid makes no difference. The fact that the child is the same species as me doesn't make me feel less invaded. That's why the comparison comes into it.

I also agree with the level of intelligence. I can categorically say that my dog level of comprehension is similar to a 2- 2 1/2 year old toddler.

As for history, humans have never historically treated dogs as fur babies. And most of the world still doesn’t. There’s no historical justification for any of this dog worship.

What worship? Sitting alongside them in public places? Do you worship the other people who sit around you at the pub?

so scientifically we're programmed to get super attached to the furry buggers

Yep, @Margerine78 - oxytocin is released when you snuggle up your fleabag. I really like seeing my own children cuddling up to the dog, knowing they're feeling that rush of affection and bonding. It's moving and beautiful.

Well has a toddler ever done this to anyone and have the parents walk away without so much as an apology or ‘are you OK’. Sadly this is how I see so many dog owners these days

It’s really not weird to not want dogs around. It is weird - or at least very selfish - to think that you can impose your dog on others

No, a dog having a snooze under a table in a cafe is not being "imposed" on anyone. It is selfish to insist the dog owner leave their dog at home because you are offended at the sight of their dog who is allowed to be there.

@YinrunIsMySpiritAnimal if that dog had been sat in a cafe with its owner on a lead that would never have happened.

seriously you are judging the behaviour of all dogs to one dog?! It’s just stupid.

And if my Aunty had had a knob she’d be my uncle.

So what - they weren’t in a cafe on a lead they were 2 aggressive dogs with no recall of lead. I dread to think what they’d be like in a cafe. How on Earth can you justify this behaviour?!

This isn’t just one set of dogs though - this behaviour and poor ownership is so common now. I don’t actually go for walks in certain areas now due to idiot owners. It never used to be that way. People used to take care of dogs and train them properly. I don’t quite know what’s happened.

But very few just ‘sleep under the table’. They junk out, fight with other dogs, jump up at people and stick their noses in people’s crotches. IME I seldom see a dog sleeping under a table