To think that most women don't even have high body counts?

[etchedowl]

I read this article in the guardian this morning https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/03/when-andrew-tate-and-the-online-manboys-obsess-over-a-bodycount-girls-you-know-what-to-do which is a reaction to the current misogynistic male obsession with a woman's body count i.e. how many men she has slept with. Firstly I agree with the article that it is a totally misogynistic trope and not to be tolerated. But Secondly I wonder to myself, who are all these women with large "body counts"?

Most women I know like myself (now in my early 30's) would have dated and had boyfriend in their teens which mostly they did not have sex with then maybe a boyfriend or two they did sleep with before finally meeting the man they are now married to at some point during university or early 20's.

Most women I know were not out clubbing every week, meeting and sleeping with different men every week or month as the paranoid fantasies of these incel men say but were more likely to be tucked up at home with their long term boyfriends and husbands having a nice meal and watching box sets or even playing scrabble. Even the single women I still know will mostly socialise together at home with going out being the odd time rather than it being a bit never ending smorgasbord of hot men and sex!

Do any of these men actually know any women or do they just believe the absolute drivel they read online by shady men who are ultimately trying to sell them a product by capitalising their insecurity and paranoia?

Please note if there are women out their having a whale of a time having tons of sex then more power to them absolutely no judgement from me. The point of my post it that it seems in no way to me the norm for most women.

I’m not sure how announcing that women having lots of sexual partners is not the norm in your circles and is entirely at odds with your experience and the experience of all the women you know is really opposing Andrew Tate’s misogynistic nonsense. It seems to fit right in - you’re still reassuring everyone that most women prefer board games with their life partner to having sex. Implying that’s the norm, and women not doing that are outliers.

Suggesting that only a small number of women are doing what he despises isn’t refuting him revolting assertions.

You lost me at most women were not out clubbing every week.

At uni everyone I knew went out nearly every night..

less passion from less protein: Less fish, meat,bird, cheese, egg, peas, beans, nuts, sitting and University education for women.

less passion from less protein: Less fish, meat,bird, cheese, egg, peas, beans, nuts, sitting and University education for women.

Wtaf??

It's late and I'm tired but I can't be the only one who doesn't have a clue what this reply means.

3 is so low! I met DH when I was 20, and I’d already slept with about 20 people in the preceding three years. Oh dear, how sad to find Andrew Twat will never sleep with me. My dreams are dashed 🤣

I’m bisexual, and seriously if DH and I ever split up, I am never dating men again if this is what they are like nowadays.

My least 'promiscuous' friend has slept with at least 20 men so YABU in my opinion

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Ultimately it's noones business. It's odd they obsess over body count. Who really cares about someone's past? And anyway people might not tell you their truthful number. To me it sounds like they feel inferior or as if they can't compete if a woman has had a history of sex or prior relationships. A sign of deep insecurity.

Well if they aren’t sleeping with women, they are presumably sleeping with other men 🤷‍♀️

You know that game six degrees of separation where you can connect 2 celebrities in only 6 moves using the partners/people they've slept with?

Weirdly @minou123 and @OneTC one of the people I'm thinking about, his initials are the same as Kevin Bacon. He is responsible for many a fun night out in Croydon.

If you frequently the goth/alternative/greebo scene and the jungle/hip hop places, like me, we definitely 'know' (and I mean that biblically) the same people.

“Most women probably have a 2 or 3 long term boyfriends at most before getting married surely?”

The massive assumptions being made that one question are mind boggling. Let’s face it op, you were a completely boring square - not everyone was like you in their teens and 20s.

@takealettermsjones Tate natch

You are bloody lovely x

I'm recalling tonight the morning after an amazing night with a fabulous man.

Opened the curtains and found myself directly opposite the window of a previous boyfriend.

I look back at my 18 year old self and think "you go girl!".

😃 I had some fun in the Thelema and Chaos Magic scene across the UK back in the day, but I suppose that's quite niche.

I am at 1, i dont know anyone else who has been as picky as myself.

Everyone who I know are min 3+.

I slept with around 15 before I met dh at 21. One long term boyfriend for 2 years 17-19.

Separated three years ago at 42. Slept with 2 women and 8 men since. Now I've been with my partner a year. So that's 10 in 2 years.

I loved most of it. Ex dh was awful in bed. I thought I was the problem. I used to masturbate a lot and thought I couldn't get off with a partner. I figured the early years were a fluke.

I will never settle for bad sex again. I'm so thankful for my sexual experiences. Sex is so healthy. I went from zero orgasms in 22 years, to multiple orgasms a night. I'm so bloody lucky.

I have had more partners then some of my friends, and less than others.

I have no shame. Why would I care what any one thinks? When single I had a bloody fantastic time. I love sex, and am a very sexual person.

Also sex isn't always a man and woman, penis in vagina. I have more sex than ever, and unless we use a strap on there are two vaginas in my bed.

I get it !!!

https://www.mylondon.news/news/nostalgia/eccentric-london-man-who-spent-25017547

Damn, I thought it meant body count the way it's usually meant - as in how many someone's killed. But no, women aren't going around knocking off incels and MRAs.

YABU for even debating Andrew - rapist pimp woman beater madman - Tate and the incel movement's opinions.

Anyway, I still piss myself laughing every time I think about Greta Thunberg dealing with him as he should be dealt with;

"small dick energy".

"This is why you should recycle your pizza boxes".

(Apparently the pizza box thing isn't actually how he was located and arrested, but it was still very funny).

His interactions with her ... I think he had a frenzied melt down in response to the first comment, like frothing at the mouth & rabid ... Show how he interacts with women who can talk back. He doesn't like those. He likes vulnerable women he can mistreat and control.

I am 31 and married at 22. He is the first and only guy I have ever slept with. I had a boyfriend in college but we never had sex and I met DH at 21. He had an ex girlfriend and slept with 2 other women before meeting me so DH's 'body count' is only 4. I lived at DH's apartment in Europe while he was doing his masters and then we moved back to London to live with my orthodox Jewish mother in law (EU residence card waiting times and wanting to save a house deposit meant this made sense). Never mind about wild nights, my MIL kept asking me if I was cold when I wore shorts! 😂 I wasn't Jewish then and even when I converted later on, it was to a liberal denomination so there are no dress restrictions really. But because I lived with her for so long, I still wear all the long dresses I bought when living with her.

I lived there for 3 years starting from age 24. We bought our flat in 2019 (I was 27) and then pandemic hit. Now we are TTC.

I am far more square than OP lol, 😂

People's stories about wild London life fascinate me because it's like another universe. I don't regret anything but I am surprised with the housing crisis, people like me are not more common. That was the only reason why i own our home today, I married a Londoner and moved in with his mum in my early 20s! Enabling me to buy in mid late 20s!

I've slept with around 20 people. I know a couple of people who have slept with 200+ people. I'd say my number is pretty average I think? (I'm in my early 30s). Most people I know have slept around a bit in their younger years, had ONSs etc.

What has actually op said that requires her to be insulted? Am I missing something? How is having only a few boyfriends square? Young people in relationships still have sex, probably more than those who are single...?

Someone's choice to settle down early, not want casual sex, or abstain all together doesn't make someone "square" and I don't think anyone has said that to @etchedowl @Bananananananananana

It's the claiming that because you and your friends behave a certain way, there can't possibly be any other way of doing something that make her come across as a little naive!

FWIW I also don't recognise this sweeping statement - I only know two people who met their partners very young and stayed with them, thus meaning they have had sex with very few people.

If you don't meet your "final" partner until you're 27-30, you'd only have to have sex with one new person a year to push your sexual partner number into double digits. To me this seems pretty restrained and indeed it's the trajectory myself and most of my friends have followed!