To think no, David Lloyd, this is not “taking all measures to protect..children”

[HermioneWeasley]

AIBU to think allowing adult males to accept spaces where women and girls are undressed is a clear safeguarding risk?

But they insist you must not ask to see a GRC

Safeguarding is cool and all but have you considered men's feelings, women?

What do they mean by trans female? It's like they don't really know what they are talking about.

@Healthandsocialcaremodule well, quite

JFC me and my DD14 are members at the Oxford one. I'm going to have to say something this is a massive red flag!

The thing I cannot believe about this whole issue is that women are expected to move over, to budge up, to accommodate, to make ourselves smaller. And apparently children, too.

Yet again, rank misogyny and the patriarchy wins.

Yes, it’s not like any men would ever abuse this to perve on women and girls. It’s not like that’s already happened. I have no idea why companies are so wilfully blind to this issue and simply don’t care about the safety of women and children.

Take your money elsewhere.

Do you not have a family changing room you can use with separate cubicles with their own shower?

What are they actually saying in the third para? “In contrast, we don’t qualify members born male to use the female changing room on the basis that they hold a certificate…”
what does that bit mean?

@Autumnvibes23

what about women there on their own?
and all families are supposed to use the family changing rooms in case a bloke walks in?

or perhaps males could keep out of female spaces?

Why should they though?

So women and children have to wait until someone gets hurt before they might take action.

Exactly this! This is how the world actually feels now. It infuriates me.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you.

It was just a practical point. I always use the family changing room. As much as things 'should' or 'could' be a certain way, currently they aren't. So I'd rather protect my DD because if something were to happen all the 'shoulds' wouldn't make it any better.

They shouldn't have too. I just prefer to protect my DD like that.

@Autumnvibes23

This argument is the WORST. OP’s house is not a public facility, open to any member of the public. She and her family use her bathroom, and presumably the odd guest.

The point is, unscrupulous safeguarding and policy ‘fudges’ lead to predatory men taking advantage. Nothing to do with OP’s private facilities.

@Autumnvibes23 Ah sorry just saw your clarification! I understand.

Sorry, I misunderstood what you meant. Even so the response is unacceptable and I think I'd take my business elsewhere but of course if I couldn't for whatever reason then yes I guess that would be the only option.

Once more, virtue signalling corporate twat @ David fecking Lloyd Leisure - transwomen ARE NOT trans females! They are biological males, sex determined at conception, not assigned randomly at birth! As with all biological males they have no place in female only spaces. Once again, this is for for safeguarding reasons to avoid opportunistic biological male predators taking advantage of said virtue signalling policy. I despair.

But... it seems safer to me to allow trans women into the women's and trans men into the men's.

Otherwise cis men (who are ACTUALLY dangerous to women) can stroll into the women's without question because they may well be a trans man forced to go into the women's!

I don't understand what they mean.
They don't disqualify transwomen from using the female changing room i.e. males can use the female changing room
But then they don't qualify males using the female changing room i.e. males can't use the female changing room
So which is ? it or have I missed something?
Watching with interest as I'm also a member at this club.
OP can I ask have you seen a male in the women's changing room at this club or are you thinking ahead?

I wondered exactly this. The third paragraph seems to contradict itself. Or maybe they're saying "we neither ban nor welcome TW in the women's"?

Either way the 3rd paraphraph is deliberately obfuscating word salad.

Maybe take your transphobia somewhere else if it bothers you that much. If a cis man wants to hurt you or your DD they will. Also you are statistically most at risk from the men who are already in your life.
Trans women are not the enemy. Dangerous men are. Trans women are far far more likely to be attacked than to attack and that is what will happen if we exclude them from safe female spaces. Stop swallowing the disgusting lies being peddled by right wing bigots pretending to care about women and our safety suddenly
Also what exactly is your solution? A genitals check? What about trans men? They might have the “right” genitals but I think their big burley beards and muscles may raise some eyebrows.

There are so many unisex changing spaces out there that are used daily with no issues. Focus on something actually important.

I have read that several times now and I still don’t understand what they are saying…