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To think no, David Lloyd, this is not “taking all measures to protect..children”

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HermioneWeasley · 26/10/2023 19:48

AIBU to think allowing adult males to accept spaces where women and girls are undressed is a clear safeguarding risk?

To think no, David Lloyd, this is not “taking all measures to protect..children”
OP posts:
MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/10/2023 14:34

"Nasty fear mongering, threatening women for daring to have boundaries".

Indeed. It always comes down to threats. Women are not allowed views or discussions without someone coming along and threatening them - with physical violence, intimidation, verbal abuse (bigot & transphobe), being cancelled, disciplined, sacked and threats of sexual and physical violence:
"I'm trying to warn you But if the law forces me into your changing room. Then believe me. You will care!!!"
There's a never ending tsunami of threats made against women simply asking for something we've had since the Victorian times - single sex spaces when we're vulnerable and exposed. I know it's the only way an anti democratic belief can be forced on an unconsenting population - but it's wrong.

Stop threatening & bullying women - on here, online, outside conferences, wherever women meet and try to speak. Just stop.

Naunet · 27/10/2023 14:53

SorryImAMan · 27/10/2023 11:54

Im trying to warn you. These rules are going to force trans men into the ladies, they have in the US.

Look. How do you know when you meet passing trans people?

Don’t you just assume they’re cis?

Ive passing doing this for 20 years. I know I pass.

I didn’t always pass, but people treat me differently when they clock me as trans.

They did that for a while. Now they don’t.

My wife knows I pass. People I trust to tell me know I pass.

My wife’s friends who are gender critical are open about it in front of her, and me. Without a hint of awkwardness.

I’ve travelled extensively in Saudi Arabia and the Indian subcontinent without harassment.

I’ve walked through dubious areas in the dark.

Ive even once accidentally gone into the ladies toilet, and the woman in there freaked out.

Most people who pass stay the hell away from a bunch of people with your opinions and aren’t out.

You don’t believe me.

But if the law forces me into your changing room. Then believe me. You will care!!!

🙄 then no one is going to be forcing you into the women’s if you pass so well, are they? You sound like you’re trying to threaten us into compliance by the way, did you mean to?

YouSetTheTone · 27/10/2023 15:54

@SpoonGirl17 your comment was false. Transwomen are in fact ‘far, far’ more likely to be a perpetrator of sexual assault than be a victim. TW offend in line with their sex, and as 98% of sexual violence is perpetrated by men you can work out how this tracks, given that TW are biologically male.

The statistics of assault or murder of TW is vastly lower than that perpetrated against women. Vastly.

Stop expecting women to be gaslit into allowing men into their single sex spaces and campaign for third spaces for transgender people.

GabriellaMontez · 27/10/2023 15:58

The response is disgusting. Vote with your feet.

Froodwithatowel · 27/10/2023 17:49

if the law forces me into your changing room. Then believe me. You will care!!!"

Love, you're female. I really, really won't. You crack on.

Catsanfan · 28/10/2023 09:27

@SorryImAMan why are you on here threatening women? Be 'man' enough yo explain yourself

Xenia · 28/10/2023 11:18

Very male language - you will care - a direct order. Most women don't want people with a penis in the female changing rooms. If it is been chopped off and someone has taken female hormones AND they have fully under English law changed gender then it is probably okay. If they are still fully equipped with male private parts however I think they might be better off using the disabled toilet

nothingcomestonothing · 28/10/2023 12:14

Xenia · 28/10/2023 11:18

Very male language - you will care - a direct order. Most women don't want people with a penis in the female changing rooms. If it is been chopped off and someone has taken female hormones AND they have fully under English law changed gender then it is probably okay. If they are still fully equipped with male private parts however I think they might be better off using the disabled toilet

Even then, it's still a no.

Men who have cosmetic surgery/medication/ a bit of paper with a lie on are still men. Sarah Jane Baker being a good example.

They retain male patterns of offending (including using a object if a penis isn't available or functioning). They retain male physical strength and size, they can assault and intimidate women physically just as easily as any other men.

Their presence excludes some women, whose beliefs or needs don't differentiate between men with surgery/meds/bit of paper and men without.

There would be no practical way to enforce that as a rule, especially since you are not a allowed to ask to see a GRC, a GRC isn't proof of anything other than the ability to get the name changed on your gas bill, and politicians want to make them even easier to get. How would anyone woman in a changing room know if the man coming in has surgery/meds/GRC, or is a predator or a chancer? Or all three?

And most importantly, women say no. No men of any kind in women's spaces. Not if they have surgery, not if they change their name, not if they 'pass', not if really want to and will be sad if they're not allowed. No.

DdraigGoch · 28/10/2023 13:03

Frenchfancy · 26/10/2023 19:51

What do they mean by trans female? It's like they don't really know what they are talking about.

On the contrary, I believe that they know exactly what they are talking about. The choice of words is a deliberate attempt at muddying the waters and gaslighting the OP into doubting that TWANW.

Froodwithatowel · 28/10/2023 13:34

DdraigGoch · 28/10/2023 13:03

On the contrary, I believe that they know exactly what they are talking about. The choice of words is a deliberate attempt at muddying the waters and gaslighting the OP into doubting that TWANW.

This.

It is an attempt to compel you into a world where you cannot refuse to pretend.

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