PT 2 of Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea?

[Zonder]

Would be such a shame not to continue the discussion.

It's a bit cheeky on the MP; he's on bail but not charged, I assume.

He has been named

https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1703302706859831401?s=20

EXCL: Andrew Rosindell remains under investigation for sexual offences — including indecent assault and abuse of a position of trust.

Now the Conservative MP has had his bail extended until February 2024.

He’s still never informed his constituents.

@DivingForLove I firmly believe that Labour are moving in the right direction on the toxic trans debate

How? If anything, they're doubling down! They said misgendering a person will get you two years jail, if they're elected!

I know this is tedious of me @Sueveneers but is this another flight of fantasy or do you have a link?

@DivingForLove I firmly believe that Labour are moving in the right direction on the toxic trans debate

What makes you believe this?

I haven't decided yet.
I swing vote, but wouldn't have ever voted for JC and am very wary of Angela Rayner. Saw Kier at the Edinburgh Festival and thought he was okay.
Also like Sunak (but not his 4 predecessors)and the women are women comment.
My main things are to encourage manufacturing through tax incentives. Ensure all the wealthy people currently dodging tax are paying their dues - rather than just blanketedly raising taxes.
Improve the NHS - but not just by throwing money at it - I've worked there and there needs to be fundamental change in the culture> I'd never worked in such a wasteful and neglectful institution before or afterwards.
Pay teachers more and get rid of the shit ones.
Tackle small scale crime and then people are less likely to commit large ones.

Yes. Labour's position aligns with mine. No to self ID, strengthen sex based exemptions. Whilst at the same time supporting people who want to legally transition to help remedy their gender dysphoria.

And just to pre-empt the question, to me "legal transition" means they are treated in their acquired gender except when sex based exemptions apply, and they are protected from being discriminated against or harassed for being trans.

I feel very similarly to JKR.

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

I think only a very very tiny minority believe that transgender women should be referred to as men, and called he/him at all times.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23688357.scottish-labour-faces-nightmare-scenario-gender-law-court-fight/

strengthen sex based exemptions

How would this happen in law, for a male with a female sex certificate?

Do you mean this, BTW?
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/our-work/news/clarifying-definition-%E2%80%98sex%E2%80%99-equality-act

This doesn't mean it's "in consultation". Or do you have inside knowledge about what the Government are up to?

I guess, as usual, you haven't been keeping up with the news, @Blossomtoes . https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/jk-rowling-trans-prison-b2432406.html

Luckily I am not a lawyer or a politician so don't need to worry too much. I'll leave it up to them to sort out. I just welcome the fact Labour and the Conservatives have both said they will do it. Whoever gets in, womens sex based rights will be protected.

Harry Potter author was responding to a speculative report about a hypothetical new hate crime legislation under a Labour government

No. I read FWR, many up to date posters with good information if posters are interested.

Luckily Rishi can add misgendering to the seven bins/meat tax list.

That Labour is proposing.

Luckily I am not a lawyer or a politician so don't need to worry too much

I can the problem there.

Or many posters making shit up and pretending they are Kemi's bestie, take your pick.

If the Government were doing anything with the legislation we'd know. "Consultation" means it would be publicised and they'd be asking for responses.

It's just hot air at the moment.

I just speak as I find @Iloveshoes123 🤷🏻‍♀️

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-mail-on-sunday/20231015/281565180423061

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/21/would-labour-send-jk-rowling-to-jail/

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/j-k-rowling-vows-to-face-prison-over-pronoun-controversy-in-uk/articleshow/104562555.cms?from=mdr

Take your pick

I don’t really care. I know who has more than ‘I’m not a politician or lawyer etc therefore I don’t worry’

That is no where near enough.

So the daily mail make up a ridiculous, fact free story about Labour's position based on a newspaper quote from Annaliese Dodds (one week ago, will await the correction).
JKR points out how ridiculous this is, which sparks some international press all based on the same flimsy mail article.

And this is meant to be convincing??

The world has gone bananas.

Me too!