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PT 2 of Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea?

738 replies

Zonder · 25/10/2023 09:07

Would be such a shame not to continue the discussion.

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EasternStandard · 27/10/2023 14:46

I promise you will all love it.

Do you work with these people?

I take it you are pushing for Labour on here due to work alliance

Alexandra2001 · 27/10/2023 15:00

Bit rich Tory cheer leaders suggesting that Labour supporters work for the party.

...and as for Labour opposition leaders, none were ever in power and none came close to fucking the UK like Truss has or Cameron/May/Boris by taking us out the worlds richest trading block and then ensuring we have a terrible trade relationship with the EU, worst of both worlds.

EasternStandard · 27/10/2023 15:05

How do they know we will love it?

It’s a direct question to @bombastix not you in any case

As per usual.

I’d like to know background to some of the stuff on the FWR threads in particular

EasternStandard · 27/10/2023 15:07

And staunch Labour supporters are dime a dozen on this thread as you are so ‘a bit rich’ applies to you in any case.

I’d still like to know if someone pushing Labour due to upcoming work contracts

Notonthestairs · 27/10/2023 15:09

"I’d still like to know if someone pushing Labour due to upcoming work contracts"

What?

EasternStandard · 27/10/2023 15:09

I do so enjoy posters unable to cope with anything not 100% Labour.

EasternStandard · 27/10/2023 15:09

Notonthestairs · 27/10/2023 15:09

"I’d still like to know if someone pushing Labour due to upcoming work contracts"

What?

It wasn’t directed to you.

Passepartoute · 27/10/2023 15:15

EasternStandard · 26/10/2023 18:38

My goodness people are dedicated

Post with Law Commission

None of that answers @BIossomtoes' question.

EasternStandard · 27/10/2023 15:16

Passepartoute · 27/10/2023 15:15

None of that answers @BIossomtoes' question.

You are very attached to this. I have said why I’m not wasting my time.

You’ll have to try and move on.

Notonthestairs · 27/10/2023 15:16

Headline seems a bit misleading - messages between Cummings and Johnson.

bombastix · 27/10/2023 15:16

In all fairness the Times picked this up hours ago. Next week will be interesting

Princessandthepea0 · 27/10/2023 15:18

EasternStandard · 27/10/2023 15:07

And staunch Labour supporters are dime a dozen on this thread as you are so ‘a bit rich’ applies to you in any case.

I’d still like to know if someone pushing Labour due to upcoming work contracts

I’ve just come here to say, this place is nuts and this thread is proof. Do people not work, have jobs, families and everything else. A handful of Labour supporters are so over invested what a tiny minority on mn think- they make a whole new thread to rehash the same stuff, over and over.

It’s not anyone who is questioning Labour who has the boundary issues here. Absolutely bonkers. Absolutely bizzare to actively want to spend your days in an echo chamber and go out and actively carry it on.

Notonthestairs · 27/10/2023 15:19

Maybe Cummings tricked Johnson into being misogynistic?

Notonthestairs · 27/10/2023 15:20

Presumably your criticism Pea applies to ALL posters? Not just the ones you disagree with.

bombastix · 27/10/2023 15:20

Btw given Osborne has his own issues I do wonder on his motivation but there seems to be an effort on certain elements of the Conservatives to drive a stake through Boris Johnson just in case he gets up again after the election.

EasternStandard · 27/10/2023 15:23

Princessandthepea0 · 27/10/2023 15:18

I’ve just come here to say, this place is nuts and this thread is proof. Do people not work, have jobs, families and everything else. A handful of Labour supporters are so over invested what a tiny minority on mn think- they make a whole new thread to rehash the same stuff, over and over.

It’s not anyone who is questioning Labour who has the boundary issues here. Absolutely bonkers. Absolutely bizzare to actively want to spend your days in an echo chamber and go out and actively carry it on.

You’re right. These threads have been running daily for years now. Most I avoid. As do others going by the yabu votes

Passepartoute · 27/10/2023 15:29

However useless the Tories may be, their hands are tied. The left constantly block attempts to deport illegal immigrants, or people who've overstayed their student visas, etc

The Tories have been in power for 13 years. Despite the fact that their current majority is ever-shrinking, they still have a fat overall majority. How on earth do you claim that the left are blocking them from doing anything effective about illegal immigration?

If, as I suspect, you are talking about judicial reviews preventing individual deportations, there is nothing left-wing about this. A judicial review can ONLY succeed if the claimants can demonstrate convincingly that the action in question is unlawful or wholly irrational. If the Home Office complies with the law in deportation decisions, judicial review applications won't succeed. In any event, deportations stopped by JR are in very low figures and barely touch the surface of the immigration issue.

The truth is, as the government well knows, is that they could deal much more effectively with illegal immigration by having an efficient asylum processing system to weed out unmerited claims, and an efficient policing and immigration control system to find and deport genuinely illegal immigrants. They haven't chosen to use those solutions, mostly because the likes of Braverman are much more interested in posturing in Rwanda, which is another so-called "solution" that will achieve nothing.

In the meantime, they keep rather quiet about legal immigration numbers because their supporters wouldn't like it and they do rather give the lie to claims that we have no room for immigrants.

Notonthestairs · 27/10/2023 15:30

Meh. If being worried about the good governance of my country makes me over invested sign me up.

EasternStandard · 27/10/2023 15:31

bombastix · 27/10/2023 15:16

In all fairness the Times picked this up hours ago. Next week will be interesting

No reply. But mumsnet?

A bit low rent isn’t it

Notonthestairs · 27/10/2023 15:33

I assume the story began here -

x.com/polcurrency/status/1717626576945181103?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

“Some pretty staggering things have been said on those Whatsapp messages… really disgusting and misogynistic language.”

@George_Osborne says the Covid inquiry will reveal astonishing texts sent by those in No. 10.

🎧 Listen to Political Currency: tr.ee/ZjR9r8GwN-

Passepartoute · 27/10/2023 15:41

Kendodd · 27/10/2023 10:24

Also, Tory skinfintary ends up costing us all so, so much more in the long term. Example, don't build council housing, end up spending a fortune on HB for private LL and hotel accommodation for homeless people (to the point that some councils are on the edge of bankruptcy) . This is leaving aside the human misery it causes.

.Another example - local councils don't receive enough funding to enable them to comply with their duties to children with special educational needs and disabilities. So they end up regularly having to defend tribunal appeals and court claims as a result of their failure to comply, thus spending millions of pounds on legal and other connected costs. How can that possibly be remotely sensible?

Passepartoute · 27/10/2023 15:50

caringcarer · 27/10/2023 14:04

Me too. I just refuse to give any party my vote who does not know what a women is, and make them use unisex toilets just to avoid upsetting less than 1 percent of the population.

Which party says that it's going to make women use unisex toilets? Evidence?

LakieLady · 27/10/2023 15:51

BIossomtoes · 27/10/2023 14:04

I can’t see it personally. Winter elections reduce turnout and the two recent by elections show that the Tories really, really need to get their core support out on polling day. My money’s been on May 2024 for a while now.

They only need to get their core support out if they really, really want to win, and I'm not sure they do. I think everything in the UK is so fucked that they might not want the aggravation of trying to put it right.

Obvs, none of the prominent MPs who've declared that they're standing down want any part in trying to sort out the mess they've made of things, but I'm not convinced any of them are really up for it. There's certainly no evidence of them doing anything positive to get things working properly.

There are a few of the complete nutters, like Fabricant and Anderson, might relish the prospect but they're the last people who should be trusted to do it, on account of them being two pence short of a shilling.

A good chunk of the sane Tories got chucked out because they didn't agree with Brexit and a good chunk of the remaining sane ones are stepping down. There's no-one in the parliamentary party now that could hold a candle to the likes of Grieve, Gauke and Greening, let alone a Hurd, a Heseltine or a Clarke.

There was a time when I respected many Tory MPs, despite being a lifelong Labour voter. I can't think of any that I really respect now.

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