PT 2 of Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea?

[Zonder]

Would be such a shame not to continue the discussion.

@verdantverdure probably Marcus fysh (who is a vile obnoxious human being I’ve sadly spent time with) but options are minimal to the point I don’t even know who would stand. We used to have david laws and he was excellent, and paddy ashdown before that. I don’t think Labour will get in so we’re hoping for a decent Lib Dem (not looking good right now).

Also, Tory skinfintary ends up costing us all so, so much more in the long term. Example, don't build council housing, end up spending a fortune on HB for private LL and hotel accommodation for homeless people (to the point that some councils are on the edge of bankruptcy) . This is leaving aside the human misery it causes.

But if there was shedloads of social housing, demand for private rentals would fall and the Tory-voting BTL LLs wouldn't be as rich.

I wonder how many Tory MPs own property that they rent out? A fair few, I bet.

And I'd love to know how much of the money paid in benefits goes to pay LLs BTL mortgages. You never hear Tory voters griping about that, but they're happy rant on about "benefit scroungers with flat screen tv's". HB/housing costs in UC is invariably the biggest single element in every calculation I do for people who rent privately.

They don't have to hold an election until some date in January 2025. They might decide to cling on to maximise their pocket-lining opportunities.

I didn’t vote for Corbyn because I don’t live in Islington - I did vote Labour. We don’t live in the US and a general election is not a presidential election so people vote for parties, not people.

@TeenLifeMum that’s interesting - overall the nation was wealthier with better life outcomes under the Labour government than this one. Which decisions negatively impacted your family?
https://ifs.org.uk/sites/default/files/2022-07/Living-standards-under-labour.pdf

Bravo at taking time for the politics lesson. I appreciate your ability.

I’m still glad your party or its leader didn’t go down well with the electorate.

Dangerous views, especially now.

You're number 45 on the Lib Dem's target list so they think they're in with a chance. Is Adam Dance still your prospective candidate? Lib Dems make good constituency MPs generally I think. Good on local issues.

People forget, that when the media doesn't do a job on a labour leader, they can be quite popular, look what Corbyn did to Teressa Mays majority in 2017?

That gave them all a wake up call and they made sure that the public associated Corbyn with terrorism, anti British, pro migrant, together with Brexit, ensured Bojo got in next time around.

But seriously, was Boris "Pepper Pig" Johnson really better for the UK than Labour? i don't think so, even Corbyn couldn't do as he liked, he'd have to carry the more moderate (i.e 90%) of MPs with him.

Can guarantee there would have been no parties at no10 with Corbyn, perhaps a jam making seminar?

We also wouldn't have had Truss, clearly far worse for UK than Corbyn.

I can’t see it personally. Winter elections reduce turnout and the two recent by elections show that the Tories really, really need to get their core support out on polling day. My money’s been on May 2024 for a while now.

Me too. I just refuse to give any party my vote who does not know what a women is, and make them use unisex toilets just to avoid upsetting less than 1 percent of the population.

Why is Johnson's racism just ignored always?

The other parties seem to be held to a much higher standard by both the press and public than the Tories. Why is this? The Tories should be held to just as high a standard as the other parties and both their voters and members should have given racist liar Johnson the boot in the same way Labour gave antisemite Corbyn the boot.

Remember there there are people to whom that would be an indicator that the system is working,

I’m surprised people are still batting for Corbyn in this way.

Given the Middle East conflict, his antisemitic views and statements on Hamas.

This is academic and in the past. Corbyn isn't in the Labour Party, the left there have been squashed into a cupboard as is normal when Labour actually get the bit between their teeth and try to win.

There is a question probably about how well Starmer would be doing if it wasn't for two things, which is party gate and Truss's economic doomsday policy. Quite frankly I don't think anywhere near as well. But also, the reason those things reasonate is that partygate is just such a "fuck you" the rules do not apply to me that will never shift from Johnson. And then Truss well, she was going to be the first Prime Minister to outwit the financial markets. And that will have hit a lot of central voters who have mortgages. If you want people to resent you then you hit them in the pocket. These two own goals are just what Labour needed. They tapped I directly to the criticism that people make of Conservatives which are a) they like rules for others and not for them and b) they are so rich that they don't understand ordinary financial struggles. In other words, the Conservatives did this to themselves. Labour are the beneficiaries but these are not forced errors, they are willed.

For a long time we’ve coupled with and rely on the US should we need their support in return. Even in Blair years, especially then in a way.

I’d rather not have a leader who aligns with terrorists and removes that connection.

Firstly it won’t be appreciated and definitely not returned. I’m very glad the leader who would have done that is speaking at rallies and that’s it.

When Trump (or one of his acolytes) wins next November, we will all see how much the USA values and supports the UK, NATO or even Ukraine.

@Alexandra2001 - it's going to be interesting. Biden has to persuade people that Ukraine and Israel matter. That is tough. Trump isn't likely to take the same stance.

So what have the Tories done about unisex toilets? And how have they protected womens rights for the last 13 years?

The whole of the EU should be concerned about NATO if Trump wins.

It still doesn’t mean Corbyn was ever a decent idea. Very much a dangerous one.

So far this week,

• Peter Bone suspended for sexual misconduct

• Brandon Lewis MP will take a 5th job on top of being an MP, with a firm significantly owned by 2 sanctioned Russian oligarchs

• Crispin Blunt arrested on rape and drug charges

but Corbyn

You can post this if you want.

You just have.

As can I.

Imo the U.K. being presented with such a dangerous option at a GE given views and allies is no small thing.

If it doesn’t matter to you, it’s not really my issue.

You wait for the WhatsApp! That is coming from the COVID Inquiry.

Expect lots of "language that was regrettable" and serious faces

In fact given the posts it’s amazing how parochial this stuff has become. WhatsApp the order of the day.

I wonder if Sunak has found his whatsapps yet, you know the ones on the phone number he said he replaced but is still in use

Integrity, professionalism and accountability at every level

I promise you will all love it. But also, be very careful about what you say about people on your messages. Good advice for teens and politicians.

Integrity, professionalism and accountability at every level

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