Need some reassurance that I'm not crazy...

[ScaredMamaLondon]

Hello,
I am a Jewish mum of two small children.
I think I'm posting on here to get a reassurance that there are some good people in this world. I am terrified to be openly Jewish in this country at the moment and I am terrified for my children's future here. This week I was told by a nanny agency 'it will be very difficult to get a nanny to work for a jewish family'. The security patrolling makes me feel nauseous; my neighbour's son attends a jewish school and was kicked on the bus for his obviously jewish school uniform. We aren't obviously Jewish 'looking' - we are not religious but yet I don't feel at all safe. The pro-Palestinian rally today threw up pictures of burning stars of davids (the antizionism isn't antisemitism thing is basically an excuse for saying what you like about jews and getting away with it). Red paint splattered over local jewish primary schools (again if it's not antisemitism, what do we have to do with it) and on top of all of this, the sinking, dismal feeling that in Israel, the only place as a Jew I would imagine feeling safe, 1300+ civilians were massacred in their beds/kidnapped/gang raped/worse.

I feel sick. I feel we are utterly hated here and unsafe there.

When I see videos of TFL tube drivers joining in with palestinian chants as if its a football anthem and flags of Jihad being waved in London I do wonder if I've missed something here. At the recent vigil for the Israeli victims people stood in silence. Singing. Crying. Praying for peace. And today I witness the complete opposite. I didn't see one mention of peace. I only saw hatred.

Half my family are NHS doctors and surgeons. Teachers. Proud of our Jewishness and proud of our Britishness. Why is it as a Jewish person in the UK i feel so utterly isolated and depressed? Many clients and non jewish friends have sent wonderful messages of support so perhaps it is just the vocal minority but it's a scary one nonetheless. AIBU in thinking that life is completely terrifying right now?

I used to believe everything Israel says about defending itself. But as I've followed it over the years, I've realised Israel have been oppressing Palestinians for a very long time. Hamas are evil as well. No one should be killing anyone, but Israel doesn't want a two state solution and when they start bombing they kill indiscriminately. I used to think it's the nature of war but then I realised that it's not even a war. Rockets by hamas get mostly intercepted by the iron dome. Then I learnt about the Nakba and realised that it was another type of holocaust. The more I learn about it the more I find zionist very aggressive and spout narratives that is of ethnic cleansing. I even visited Jerusalem out of curiosity and I saw how Israelis treated Palestinians (there's no Hamas there). I don't want any Muslims or Jews to feel threatened but I don't agree that people protesting makes them antisemitic. Its only natural for people to want peace but even that is getting interpreted as supporting Hamas. If people were shouting that they support Hamas then that would be wrong! But from what i can see, people around the globe want the Palestinians to be free of persecution and the shit that is coming with it. To me it seems the whole world is up in arms about it, especially in countries where the government supports Israel unequivocally. I also realise there's a lot of misinformation on the Internet (which is why I decided to go to Jerusalem) and just see things with my own eyes and ears. I saw an Israeli soldier start on little kids by pointing the gun at them. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I saw Muslims get treated differently at the airport than the rest of us. I saw deprivation in Hebron and a bunch of zionists harassing Palestinians. Like I say, I believed Israeli government stance, I even used to believe America and UK on WMD but I've realised we got fed a lot of lies.

@Zanina as someone who is apparently part of the 'bunch of zionists' to whom you refer - thanks for missing the point of this thread completely. I'm not going to counter any of that with my impressions from spending long periods in Israel - it's so not the point I was trying to make here. What you say is a mishmash of inflammatory buzzwords and frankly if that's your response to me saying how I have seen many many posters at the recent rallies saying 'we support hamas' and how alone I feel as a jew here...Well OK. I won't say what I really feel. Have a good day

Uh I didn't refer to you as a zionist nor did I even say "bunch of zionists". I've just agreed with you that there should be peace and no one should feel threatened... or are you saying you don't condemn Israel in its killings and that no one should be speaking up about it? I don't understand everyone on here is sympathising with you, but you seem be angry with anyone who doesn't completely agree with your stance .

It was a whole load of whataboutery.

I feel xxxx

Yeah, but what about...

I think you've hit the nail on the head here. They had all my comments deleted.

No one had your comments deleted. They were deleted by an admin. Probably because they were offensive. If you two agree so much on everything and don't care about the jew hate - please go chat elsewhere, just the two of you.

Sorry I did say "bunch of zionists" - they were a bunch of civilian zionists that i saw harassing Palestinians. The soldiers were there as they were manning the metal gates / check point but they didn't do anything to stop it. But I didn't refer to you as a zionist or to that particular "bunch".

I don't agree with "Jew hate" just to be clear. I just don't agree with Israel killing and persecuting Palestinians.

everyone on here is sympathising

Have you read the thread?

The ones where you were defending Hamas you mean?

@Zanina zionism is the belief that Jews should have their own nation, just like any other nationality. So yes I am a Zionist. There have been many efforts to turn this into a poisonous term and I do not abide by this.
Being a Zionist means you don’t believe Israel should be wiped off the map. This is what Hamas and many of the Palestinians openly call for. It’s in kids textbooks in the Gaza Strip. And last Saturday people screamed for it at pro Palestinian rallies - get rid of Israel. Throw Israel in the bin.
I’m not interested in debating Middle Eastern politics with you. I said that much of what I saw on Saturday was jew hate. I didn’t say others don’t have it worse than me ffs. I didn’t say I hate Muslims. I literally said I was scared to be in London right now.
please just go!

@sidesplittinglol
"The hostages that were released came out looking well looked after."

One of the hostages who was just released, an 85 year old woman, was beaten with sticks.

I don't know where you get your information from (probably from the western news channels and we all know how they lie or mislead the public) but I've seen the video of the daughter of the hostage released and these were her words:

The daughter translates:

"My mum is saying that They were very friendly towards them and that they took care of them. And they were given the medicine and they treated one of the men with them had a badly injured from a motorbike on the way and the paramedics was looking after his wounds he was given medicine and antibiotics, that the the people were friendly and they kept the place very clean. They were very concerned about them."

She did say that. I’m sure you’re right. Hamas are humanitarians. Really good people. No other reason they would keep hostages alive. No other reason they would gang rape and murder babies.

You are a very troubled person. You’ve turned this entire thread into something it wasn’t. It’s nothing to do with me disagreeing with you. It’s do with you being utterly tone deaf, rude, and spiteful.

you’re a troll. Go away.

@sidesplittinglol Good grief. The mental gymnastics the Pro-Palestine crew will perform to sympathise with Hamas. The beating with sticks part was in the news earlier today.

I don't know where you get your information from (probably from the western news channels and we all know how they lie or mislead the public)

This coming from someone who gets their news from Instagram

Back on topic: @ScaredMamaLondon How are you feeling today?

Hamas still have the husband of the lady interviewed. He was being kept with her. She and her daughter are being careful about what she is saying and for good reason. These hostages were kept with about 25 others and sound like there basic needs were met. I have said on other threads in the last couple of weeks. Probably many hostages will be kept well. That Hamas knows they need to so to be OK so the western useful idiots say Look Hamas aren't that bad. However I really don't think all the hostages will be in such good condition if they get out alive.

Hamas has also chosen to keep so far their highest value hostages, the 30 children. If they were showing any sign of wanting the conflict to stop they would have returned the child first.

Here's a bit of whataboutery for you. Even if Yocheved Lifschitz did say that, even if she was well looked after, even if she - a committed peace activist- did shake hands with her captor, what about the other hostages? The ones we have not seen. The ones not carefully looked after to look good on release. Hamas are not idiots. It is all part of a carefully orchestrated process to make murderers and rapists look like the good guys.

But apparently British Jews have no right to feel anxious.

She also said "I've been through hell" and ""They stormed into our homes. They beat people. They kidnapped others, the old and the young without distinction" and ""When I was on the bike, my legs were on one side and the rest of my body on the other side. The young men hit me on the way. They didn't break my ribs but it was painful and I had difficulty breathing."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/freed-israeli-hostage-says-she-was-well-treated-after-initial-violence-2023-10-24/

That's from a news article with a video BTW, not a screenshot from Instagram. You do realise that screenshot don't have audio right?

But that's all fine, because according to your now deleted post they were defending themselves. Defending themselves when they kidnapped this elderly woman along with many others, defending themselves when they murdered children, defending themselves when they raped women, defending themselves when one of them phoned his mother to brag about how many Jews they'd killed.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/4926882-i-killed-10-jews-with-my-own-hands-im-using-the-dead-jewish-womans-phone-to-call-you-now?reply=130183734

You need to watch the full unedited interview of both mother and daughter.

When asked why she shook the Hamas terrorist's hand, she said: 'Because they treated us very nicely.'

This is despite her admitting that the Hamas terrorists viciously attacked her community in their homes on October 7, and that she was beaten with a stick as she was being taken into Gaza.

'They stormed into our homes. They beat people. They kidnapped others, the old and the young without distinction,' she said.

She added: 'The young men hit me on the way. They didn't break my ribs but it was painful and I had difficulty breathing.'
My mum was saying she was taken on the back of a motorbike, with her legs on one side and her head on another. She was taken through ploughed fields, with men on one side and men behind her.
'While she was taken, she was hit with sticks until they reached tunnels. There, they walked for a few kilometres on the wet ground.'

Sharone said her elderly mother suffered from bruises and shortness of breath following the beating: 'When I was on the bike, my legs were on one side and the rest of my body on the other side. The young men hit me on the way. They didn't break my ribs but it was painful and I had difficulty breathing.'

She added, on behalf of her mother: 'When they arrived they arrived to a large hall where about 25 hostages were gathered. After two or three hours five of them were taken into a separate room.
'She said they were very friendly towards them, they took care of them, they were given medicine.
'They took care of us. They made sure that we could be clean and eat, they gave us pita bread, cucumber, hard cheese and low fat cream cheese and that was our food for the entire day.'
She said that each guard was assigned a prisoner, and they would talk and eat with them every day.

It goes on but basically was hit badly first when captured and then beaten with sticks by various men ever side of her as she was taken to where they kept 25 hostages. However each hostage was given a personal guard after that. This was to make sure there basic needs were met and the other Hamas fighters didn't do bad stuff to them. They did this because they need to keep some hostages alive and in good condition. Therefore making people like you think Hamas are poor misunderstood gentlemen 🤔

@IDriveMySupernova thank you and to the other comments…
I feel way better this week. Don’t get me wrong I feel quite broken at the state of the world but who doesn’t.
firstly there’s a petition circulating signed by various ex PMs etc just saying that they pledge their allegiance with Jews in this country. Nothing to do with politics- just tens of thousands of signatures of non Jewish people who say they will protect Jews from the tidal wave of antisemitism in this country. It’s here if anyone is interested. https://britishfriendsofisrael.org/
it’s just words right? But weirdly makes me feel better.
Secondly I’ve been helping a friend who has run a half term camp for Israeli children from the south who were evacuated in the wake of the attacks. Nothing to do with me blowing my own trumpet as I really feel I’ve not done enough but actually it’s given me some positivity as I’m taken aback by the resilience of some of these kids. One lost both grandparents, her aunts uncles cousins and listened to her own dog be shot dead and then burnt for fun (wtf). Kids are just amazing. And here she is playing netball wearing a bunch of clothes from random Londoners and doing her best.

and before anyone says I don’t care about Palestinian children (!!!!) I do. Just ready for it…

What kind of fucking reprobate comes on a thread by someone worried about anti-Semitism to justify the actions of anti-semetic terrorists?

@ScaredMamaLondon that sounds like such a lovely thing to do. I think being active when things feel frightening is the best way forward as it helps to give you a sense of control over the situation. I'm really glad you're feeling better this week.

Good question

Maybe someone needs to reflect on that one or just stop believing edited properganda from sources like a certain Qatar backed channel. That has been drip feeding Jew hate into its viewers for years. Seriously some of their reports talk about sneaky editing. Once you see the whole footage you realise what manipulative antisemitic arseholes people are.