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To deeply resent DP? I think I'm traumatised

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nle · 17/10/2023 10:45

I posted about this at the time so will try and keep it brief.

DP and I have been on and off for 4.5 years.

Last year, we split but had started seeing each other again, dates, sleeping together, basically acting like normal. I then became pregnant on the pill.

The day I found out he came over and told me he wanted nothing to do with me or the baby and was "abandoning" us. His family, whom I was very close to blocked me on all social media (his mum, dad and sister). His mum said "but X doesn't want a baby". Neither did I!

He then contacted me three weeks later asking what decision I had made, I refused to tell him. He said I was wrong for this and basically made me out to be the villain.

He said that he and his family had actually wanted to be involved all along, but they were trying to manipulate me into an abortion by thinking I was going to have to raise the baby alone.

I ended up having a miscarriage and didn't tell him until later.

I eventually told him I had miscarried, over the phone. He called me names, said that he hated the thought of being tied to me forever, he accused me of sleeping with someone (I hadn't), he said there was no excuse for me to have withheld information about the pregnancy from him.

He also said he didn't want me around our friends anymore (they were his friends first). He showed people the messages of me breaking down during the height of it all. Totally humiliated me and essentially made me out to be crazy.

I attempted suicide as a result of this time, he knows this.

We are now back together. We had no contact for six months. Our families don't know.

The only time he has said sorry was when I had asked for an apology and it was a forced "sorry!" Like a disgruntled child.

He justifies what he did by saying he had a "tough choice" to make and that the way he went about things was his only option. That he knew a baby would be bad for both of us, so he did this to help us and his family.

He said "I still think you were going to keep that baby", he actually has no idea whether I was or wasn't.

This isn't the only time he's been a dick. I won't bore you with the rest of the stories.

The way he treats me has vastly improved, we have a really, really great time together. Rarely argue or have disagreements.

I just can't move on from it, I resent him and when I think about the situation and what I went through, I feel sick to my stomach.

Has anyone every moved on by something so major? I know this is probably just a big thing to me, but I can change the effect it had.

If it weren't for these big fuck ups he pulls off, he could've been the one.

Day to day, I love everything about him.

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ShinyPebble32 · 17/10/2023 12:49

Stopped reading at ‘we are now back together’😖

EC22 · 17/10/2023 12:50

Leave him.
shouldn't have got back together.
there’s not really anything else to say.

therealcookiemonster · 17/10/2023 12:50

oh dear, I think op is not returning to this thread....

Alargeoneplease89 · 17/10/2023 12:51

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Duckswaddle · 17/10/2023 12:51

You’re an idiot to be back with him. Use your brain. You have a child!

femfemlicious · 17/10/2023 12:52

@nle Why did you get back with him. I think you need a lot of therapy. Is there any way you can get this?

IveHadItUpToHere · 17/10/2023 12:53

What did he do to show remorse, to work on changing? Nothing. You shouldn't have gone back. The only way relationships can rebuild after a big trauma is if the person who caused the issue (which is him) puts in the work -and even then, not everything can or should be rebuilt.
The relationship with him made you feel so destabilised and manipulated that you were suicidal. For your own MH, you need to end the relationship. Return the favour of blocking him and all his family. Go to your GP, ask to be referred for counselling. Or, if you can afford it, find a private counsellor.
I'm so sorry for your loss. You've had an awful time. This man is not the solution. He is partly the cause. Flowers

femfemlicious · 17/10/2023 12:55

nle · 17/10/2023 10:50

He isn't miserable.

He goes on about how much he loves me, loves spending time with me, wants a future, the connection is so special etc.

He literally never argue about me or anything I've done. He's happy as Larry in the relationship.

He doesn't know how I feel.

How did you actually end up getting back together?. You have to love yourself more😭. He has the capacity to be inhuman

readbooksdrinktea · 17/10/2023 12:57

The patriarchy has done a number on some women. It's not shameful not to have a man, OP. The world will keep on turning, and you and your child will be safer. Take charge of your life.

Jewelspun · 17/10/2023 12:58

'I often feel I won't get better than him'!

A steaming pile of dog shit would be better than him.

You deserve so much better.

graziadaily.co.uk/relationships/dating/good-women-stay-bad-men/

In case you won't click on the link -

Why Do Good Women Stay With Bad Men?
Four women explain why they stayed in toxic relationships..

Falling into a bad relationship is easy. The significant other is usually charming, things move fast and they might claim to love you early on (see also the Dark Triad). By the time the threats start, the fear sets in and they actively try to destroy your self-esteem, it’s too late. You’re already in – and getting out could be the hardest thing you ever do. Abusive relationships are a devastating matrix of love, coercion, devotion and annihilation of confidence.
The most common misconception is that staying in a toxic relationship is a sign of weakness when, in fact, it is, in many cases, a misuse of great strength. To find out why women stay in bad relationships, I spoke to four brave women. Before we get to their testimonies, let me say this: I put a callout on social media to speak to women who’ve been in toxic relationships for this article. The response was overwhelming, and many came from closer to me than I had expected. Emotionally and psychologically abusive relationships are horrifically common - remember that, always.

Ava, 21, has only recently extricated herself from a dangerous relationship. She had to seek legal help to keep her ex-boyfriend away from her, after a particularly violent altercation. ‘Only when I look back on the relationship, do I realize it was toxic,’ she says. ‘Because when you are in it, you’re in this bizarre and dull frame of mind where you think that this is how things are supposed to be, this is the person for you, and you should just accept that nothing is perfect. In reality, my freedom was limited. I had to answer where I was, who I was with, what I was doing.’
Ava’s ex would taunt her, call her names and undermine her self-worth at every opportunity, whether it was calling her a ‘slag’ for wearing make-up or a ‘lying cunt’ for not coming to see him. She sent him money, traveled to see him at a moment’s notice, and tolerated both his jealous ranting about other men and sleazy boasting about other women. ‘He would treat me like a disease, flaunting other girls he was texting in my face, negatively comparing me to them. My self-esteem and self-worth were non-existent.’
One night, this man grabbed Ava by the throat, throttled her, threw her on the bed and yelled about how pathetic she was and how lucky she was to have him. She ran into her room, terrified, and stayed there while he smashed everything he could in the apartment.
Afterwards, ‘he burst out crying, telling me of his anger problems, and that he only acts the way he does because he loves me so much. That was the worst thing of all. To try and confuse love with abuse.’

But that’s what abusers do, routinely. They dress their abusive behaviour up as affection and demand gratitude for the pain they put their victims through. So, why did Ava stay?
‘He was the first boy I loved,’ she says. ‘There were some great times. I wanted everyone who disapproved to be proven wrong, I wanted to have a happy ending. As time went on, my faith in that outcome turned into desperation and I clung on to the hope that he would change so I wouldn’t feel trapped anymore.’
‘When you are in a relationship with someone you care so deeply about, and they hurt you over and over again, you push it to one side because you believe that they love you, and they only did it because they were hurting too’ she explains, ‘you want so badly to heal their wounds that sometimes, you put them before yourself, even though you are allowing yourself to be repeatedly damaged. I wanted to rescue him, because I could see that he was unhappy in himself. I think in hindsight I also wanted to save myself. I believed I was worthless, and by trying to save someone else, maybe I’d love myself a bit more. If that meant going through pain and emotional abuse, I just kept telling myself that it was all a means to an end.’

Ginny, 34, found herself in a similar situation. Rather than physical intimidation, she was slowly diminished by her former partner one acerbic put-down at a time. Whether it was about her intellect or her body, her ex-boyfriend found a way to belittle her any way he could – sometimes in the privacy of their relationship, sometimes in front of friends. Throughout the 10 months they were together, he made a habit of gaslighting Ginny about one female friend in particular – one, it would turn out, he’d been sleeping with the whole time. ‘I told him that she made me a bit uncomfortable, and he started trying to paint me as a crazed, paranoid bitch who was trying to stop him from having friends,’ Ginny says. It was an intense, fast-moving relationship from the start – and that just escalated, until one day he proposed, only to dump her a week later while they were on holiday with her parents.
‘I think I always knew something was wrong, but I had such low self-esteem and was so swept away by how intensely he pursued me that I ignored it. I didn't have the confidence to argue back and I suppose I believed he must be right about me. Also I just couldn't see how anyone else would want me’ she tells me. ‘After we split up, I lost half my body weight, started running half-marathons, and made a lot of amazing friends who helped me see what I was really worth. I think people stay in bad relationships mainly because we feel like we are getting what we deserve and through the fear that we won't find anyone else.’

What Ginny’s talking about here, a complete collapse of self-worth, is what psychologist and relationship expert Samantha Carbon would call ‘a loss of self’. ‘Clients in toxic relationships start to lose themselves or forget themselves. Their happiness is no longer a priority,’ she says. ‘Unhealthy criticism can be a contributing factor to why people feel they are undervalued and worthless and this contempt can create unhealthy patterns in the relationship, which can lead to resentment and acting out. To get out, you almost have to detox yourself from the beliefs and values that you created together and remind yourself of the importance of self. Self-compassion is key to ensuring you survive the possible backlash of leaving this type of relationship.’
That’s exactly what Harriet, 29, had to find the strength to do. She is currently in therapy, trying to recover from a 4.5 year relationship riddled with infidelity, lies and manipulation. She stayed that long, partly, because she questioned her own judgment. ‘If I ever expressed concerns or doubts, he would get defensive, aggressive, or just gaslight me until I ended up being the one apologizing,’ she says. ‘I realized something was wrong when he tried to end it and I found messages between him and a female friend which made it clear he has been unfaithful and was continuing an obscene online relationship with her. I realized something was really wrong when he did similar things over and over. I got so familiar with his pathetic, sheepish face he made when he was sprung. The memory of it is searing and heartbreaking. If I didn’t love him so much, I would have been embarrassed for him.’
And that’s the other reason Harriet stayed: She loved him. ‘I still do…but, he had so destroyed my self-esteem and so convinced me that I was unlovable, unpleasantly suspicious, and clingy, that I clung to him as a source of affirmation.’

Harriet left her life with this man in tatters. I ask what the aftermath was and she says: ‘Utter emotional devastation. A near-total dismantling of my sense of worth. An odd mixture of intermittent catatonia and hysteria. A firm belief in my fundamental un-lovability.’ She had to move back in with her parents because they were all worried what she might do, living alone. She’s really only learning how to function again now.
‘I also live with an unspeakably profound sadness. I miss my best friend at the same time as I know that best friend is very possibly a sociopath. Being away from him has been freeing, for obvious reasons, but also oddly constraining. He exercised such total control over my internal emotional life that I still measure nearly every element of my life by what he would think and whether he would like it. That habit will be hard to break I suspect.’
Alice, 29, has been emotionally abused by several men, one of whom ended up leaving her in a foreign country with no explanation, another of whom prompted her to move interstate to escape his relentless, increasingly aggressive contact. She’s spent much of her adult life thinking about why women like her stay in relationships that hurt.

As a general insight, below the level of genuine fear, you stay with people because you think you understand them, and if you understand the source of their pain or rage, then it can't hurt you,’ she says. ‘Or you're willing to take some pain for the amount of help you can provide. Because we like to feel essential and useful. It feels like a form of strength; your ability to sustain discomfort, or even pain, for a greater good. It’s a form of heroism. You're Atlas.’
Alice, like me, has seen close friends go through the same thing: remarkable women sacrificing themselves to the ‘greater’ cause of a man’s happiness. Too afraid, or too good, or too sensitive, to break hearts despite the damage they do to their own. It’s excruciating to watch, and worse to know that your disapproval only makes them feel closer to their abusive partner.
‘It's a misplaced strength and loyalty, I think,’ Alice says. ‘They’re warrior virtues. Women in those relationships don't relate to the frightened, beaten wife scenario, even if they spend their whole time on eggshells, trying to soothe and help. Because they don't feel helpless - they feel like it's a difficult task. At a certain point there's a sunk cost fallacy that begins to play. Particularly for women. There’s the sense that you're no bed of roses yourself necessarily. It’s the false equivalency of flaws, like self-gaslighting.’

Each of these women went through that, and wrenched themselves free. Harriet is still working on her relationship with herself. Ginny is happily married to someone kind, with a baby on the way. Ava has moved on and swears by the saying ‘what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger’. Alice is engaged. They have generously shared their stories with clarity and strength. However, there are millions of women who are trapped in toxic relationships the world over. If we’re ever going to help them out, we have to start by understanding why so many of us stay in destructive relationships. It is, so often, much more complicated that it seems.

Goldfish41 · 17/10/2023 12:58

He sounds like an absolute C U next Tuesday, sorry, I don’t know why on earth you would get back together with someone like that. Sometimes being nice doesn’t mean excuse him treating you or anyone like that. He also clearly has no respect for you. Reading the way he (and his family) treated you is horrifying, i think you need to work on to your self-esteem if you would consider getting back together with someone after that.

BrightGreenMoonBuggy · 17/10/2023 12:59

I find it absolutely baffling that he would treat you like this and yet you still think he’s wonderful enough to choose as a partner. He’s an absolute dickhead.

pinkyredrose · 17/10/2023 13:00

Day to day, I love everything about him.

Why? He sounds like an unreliable, disrespectful wanker. You already know how he acts in time's of crisis. He humiliated you, he made your life so much worse.

The longer you stay with him the longer you're denying yourself the chance to be with someone respectful.

How old are you both?

Captainobvious35 · 17/10/2023 13:01

He has shown you who he is and his family have shown you who they are. Why on earth are you back with him? Why would you want to be involved with such nasty and weak people? Get some fucking standards, this is so out of the realms of acceptable behaviour.

DelightfullyDotty · 17/10/2023 13:01

You: “We are now back together.”

Everyone on MN (out loud in horrified voice): “WHAT?!!!!!!!!!!!!”

OP you can’t move on from what he did. I was with an abusive idiot for seven years but he’d been far far more abusive in his previous relationship. I could never get over what he’d done to his previous girlfriend (because of the lack of remorse) so you never will.

As long as he wasn’t being negatively affected by anything, he could be really kind. And that’s what will happen with your BF….as long he’s ok and getting what he wants from the relationship he’ll be nice. You’ve already seen what happens when things aren’t going his way.

My ex was very handsome and witty and my silly hormones kept me tied to him. That’s all it is. Menopause can be a wonderful thing.

Dweetfidilove · 17/10/2023 13:02

@nle This specimen seems to occupy all your headspace, so we’ll put you and him aside for a moment…

What was it like for your son when you attempted suicide?

What is it like for your son when you’re permanently distracted by this useless, all-consuming relationship?

What was it like for your son when you were presumably doubled over in grief, having miscarried (unsupported?) waste of space’s baby?

What is it like for your son when you are consumed with rekindling this doomed love affair- I’m guessing you need extra time to fan the flames of this I’ll-fated union.

Literally - who is looking after your son? Is this the life he deserves?

joao2570 · 17/10/2023 13:02

FannyBawz · 17/10/2023 10:48

Why are you back with him? 😱

This.
There's nothing wrong with you. He's just gone way too far for you to ever come back from.

Breakfastofmilk · 17/10/2023 13:04

nle · 17/10/2023 10:54

I am ashamed of it.

I have a long history of depression/postnatal depression.

A year prior I was the victim of a violent crime.

It all got on top of me.

I don't think feeling suicidal should be shameful, it happens to many people for all sorts of reasons, often outside their control.

What is not good though is choosing to go back to a situation that made you suicidal before, with no reason to believe anything would be different. He hasn't apologised and he's defended his behaviour, clearly he doesn't think it was wrong and would do the same again if he thought it was needed.

Why would you risk leaving your child motherless by choosing to get back together with someone who thinks it's fine to treat you so poorly that you attempted suicide?

Things might be fine when life is going OK but sooner or later another problem WILL come up, it's just life. You need people around you who can support you in bad times, not people who actively make bad times worse and so does your son.

Lifeomars · 17/10/2023 13:05

nle · 17/10/2023 10:51

I have a child from a previous relationship.

He and DS don't have anything to do with each other. I see DP on my child-free days.

He is completely controlling the relationship, I do understand that it takes courage to face life without a partner but this man is very bad news. Look at how he has dictated everything and how you accommodate his very unreasonable behaviour. As soon as your relationship encounters any problems and in the nature of life it will, he will revert to his cold, withholding and unpleasant self. Someone who cannot accept and at least attempt to have some sort of relationship with your child is not a person you can build a thriving life with

CatChant · 17/10/2023 13:12

He is filth.

If he was the last man on earth you would still be better off without him.

Mummyoflittledragon · 17/10/2023 13:12

Seriously. You could do so much better. He doesn’t love you for you. Please find a way to love yourself.

ThornInMySide84 · 17/10/2023 13:14

It is so tragic that woman are so desperate to hang on to a man that treats them like shit.

GasDrivenNun · 17/10/2023 13:19

Why oh why are you back with this horrible man ?
Run for the hills and definitely don't have a child with him. Who needs the drama and upset.

blessedday · 17/10/2023 13:20

You've seen the real person now, who he really is and how he reacts when the chips are down - and it's not nice. Leave him and please find someone who really loves and values you. Oh and please use backup contraception in case you fall pregnant accidentally again. You may also benefit from having counselling to help you recover from this Godawful trauma. Sending all good wishes to you x

crumblylancs · 17/10/2023 13:23

I'm honestly baffled why you're still with him and wasting a life you won't get back.