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There is no Southern Ireland

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Needeyebrows · 13/10/2023 21:34

So sick of hearing people say say Southern Ireland when referring to anywhere outside of Northern Ireland. Any place outside of Northern is the Republic of Ireland. We do not have southern Ireland..

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ColleenDonaghy · 13/10/2023 22:41

BlueSky2023 · 13/10/2023 22:39

@Thankyouthankyoujellybean

I think we should be led by The Simpsons, who referred to 'Ireland' and 'The Bad Part of Ireland'. I speak as someone living in The Bad Part.

Hadn’t heard that before and I’m Irish, but from ‘Ireland’ 😀

I've defected from Ireland to the Bad Part of Ireland and feel those names should be reversed because I can at least afford a house here Grin

PowerVandhana1986 · 13/10/2023 22:41

Good on backing throughout time.

MariaLuna · 13/10/2023 22:42

What about the parts that are further north than Northern Ireland?

Scotland, is geography given up now in UK education? 😯

Redlarge · 13/10/2023 22:42

Its ireland

Jetstream · 13/10/2023 22:43

I live in the south of Ireland, Co. Cork. When I lived in Scotland i was asked if I was from the north or south. Yeah. Gets a bit tiresome hearing Ireland referred to as southern Ireland. It sounds like this island is huge instead its a tiny outcrop on the edge of Europe.

Doteycat · 13/10/2023 22:43

Chickensaredinosaurs · 13/10/2023 22:37

Well I think a lot of Irish people have brought this confusion on themselves by referring to Northern Ireland as the north of Ireland. By implication that makes the Republic of Ireland the south of Ireland or Southern Ireland.

Wtaf.
Pretty sure we did not bring this on ourselves.

whiteroseredrose · 13/10/2023 22:44

Google maps has labelled Ireland and Northern Ireland.

ShaunaM · 13/10/2023 22:49

I’m Irish. Originally from Cork City. When people hear my accent they ask where. My reply always is “Cork it’s down the bottom”. I also just say Ireland or Irish not ROI.

What annoys me is they then try copy your accent…

itsmylife7 · 13/10/2023 22:49

My Mother and Gmother used to refer to it as Southern Ireland (Tipperary ) where they were from.
I got the saying from them 🤔

Nopenoway · 13/10/2023 22:50

MariaLuna · 13/10/2023 22:42

What about the parts that are further north than Northern Ireland?

Scotland, is geography given up now in UK education? 😯

The comment was in direct response to the suggestion that “Southern Ireland” simply refers to describing the part of Ireland that is in the south- the southernmost counties. I was wondering how that applies when it is used to discuss parts of Ireland that are more northerly than Northern Ireland. Not sure where Scotland came into it excepting my other comment that Inverness is in northern Scotland but Belfast is not in Northern Ireland, which you seemingly disagree with, erroneously.

malmi · 13/10/2023 22:51

CherryMaDeara · 13/10/2023 22:33

I just refer to it as Ireland and Northern Ireland. Why must it be qualified as Republic of Ireland?

Only when needed to clarify that you're not referring to the entire island which is also named Ireland. "The island of Ireland" is a bit of a mouthful.

oneleggedspider · 13/10/2023 22:51

Doteycat · 13/10/2023 22:43

Wtaf.
Pretty sure we did not bring this on ourselves.

😂 This really made me laugh. Yeah, I feel like England might have had a small part to play in it. Historically.

Jetstream · 13/10/2023 22:52

The only thing that bothers me more is Ulster loses counties in UK media. There are 9 counties in the Provence of Ulster. My mother is from one of them, they went frequently up north to buy stuff.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 13/10/2023 22:53

It sounds like this island is huge instead its a tiny outcrop on the edge of Europe.

There's a north and a south of a city, never mind a whole island.

Coffeerum · 13/10/2023 22:54

Lesina · 13/10/2023 22:17

if it helps I refuse to say Northern Ireland. I was born in Belfast which is in the north of Ireland. Like Inverness is in the North of Scotland :)

God what a whole load of drama in this day and age.
I’m very happy that half of younger people don’t class themselves as unionists or nationalists but simply ‘Northern Irish’.

Splitscreened · 13/10/2023 22:54

MrsTerryPratchett · 13/10/2023 21:51

I lived outside the UK for years. Almost no one knew the UK, GB, England, NI, Wales, Scotland definitions, let alone the politics behind it. People fail maps.

I lived in England for years. Getting an appointment to get my NI number turned out to be a Kafkaesque experience because people on the phone kept chirping helpfully that I ‘could just use your usual number!’ No, I kept saying, patiently, I come from a different country. I’m not from the UK,’ but it turned out people working in Jobcentres had a really shaky grasp of geopolitics.

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 22:54

@Panaa do they? 😆

JaneJeffer · 13/10/2023 22:55

Jetstream · 13/10/2023 22:52

The only thing that bothers me more is Ulster loses counties in UK media. There are 9 counties in the Provence of Ulster. My mother is from one of them, they went frequently up north to buy stuff.

Yep some people can't get their heads round the provinces

Rosebud21 · 13/10/2023 22:55

@affeny
"My grandparents, and Irish relatives, just said/say Ireland."

& they're right, because that's what it's called 😀☘️

Jetstream · 13/10/2023 22:56

Doteycat · 13/10/2023 22:43

Wtaf.
Pretty sure we did not bring this on ourselves.

it is up north from here.

oneleggedspider · 13/10/2023 22:56

I'm from Northern Ireland and we always said 'Down South' but that was in relation to where we lived.. so anywhere south of the border. Wouldn't have referred to Donegal as 'Down South.'

The problem is people using Southern Ireland as if its the name of the country. I now live in the south east of England. I'd never describe myself as living in 'Southern England.' There's a difference.

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 22:56

Well I think a lot of Irish people have brought this confusion on themselves by referring to Northern Ireland as the north of Ireland. By implication that makes the Republic of Ireland the south of Ireland or Southern Ireland.

jesus wept! 🤦‍♀️

JaneJeffer · 13/10/2023 22:56

Rosebud21 · 13/10/2023 22:55

@affeny
"My grandparents, and Irish relatives, just said/say Ireland."

& they're right, because that's what it's called 😀☘️

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Does not compute

ColleenDonaghy · 13/10/2023 22:58

JaneJeffer · 13/10/2023 22:55

Yep some people can't get their heads round the provinces

Grin
There is no Southern Ireland
Nopenoway · 13/10/2023 22:58

malmi · 13/10/2023 22:51

Only when needed to clarify that you're not referring to the entire island which is also named Ireland. "The island of Ireland" is a bit of a mouthful.

“The Island of Ireland”? What is the status of this term?