To think we need to speak up

[BigBillyButterBollocks]

Loud. Fast.

I don't want to turn it into a Hamas is responsible/Israel is responsible. I don't want to turn it into a debate.

It takes 3 to 5 days to die from dehydration. Probably less for babies. Being stuck with 2 million people also desperate for water is gonna turn ugly. Then there are the bombings, no food, the lack of medical supplies.

When a journalist asked if the electricity cuts would impact babies in incubators, he was shamed for supporting Hamas beheading babies.

When a journalist asked if the siege was a war crime, the impact on civilians and why did all politicians present the attack as Islamist attack against Jews without any context about the Palestinian cause, he was shamed for supporting Hamas and the atrocities that happened.

When a journalist asked if the siege was legal, that labour lady whose name escapes me kept on repeating a rehearsed message of "Israel has the right to defend himself".

They all seem to have gotten a memo that you deflect any question with shaming and bringing up the atrocities against Israeli children.

Atrocities happened in Israel. It sickens me and saddens me deeply. There is no excuse for it. But it can't be used to avoid talking about what is happening in Gaza. I feel we are being gaslighted into not asking questions.

I want to believe they are secretely working on a deal but I don't think they are. And time is not on Gaza's civilians side.

AIBU to think we should be making a lot of noise for our politicians to stop defending the Gaza siege and start speaking up about this? NOW. Not in 3/5/10 days?

It is haunting me at the moment. I can't focus at work, I can't sleep. What the fuck are we letting happen?

do you know why Palestine haven’t been able to source energy supplies from say, Egypt?

The Palestinian authority don’t have the authority to source energy from anywhere other than Israel. They have electricity from Israel and Gaza has a power plant that ran out of fuel. Israel controls the fuel for the power plant.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eHm-S8ryawY

Sat here feeling so powerless.
Cant believe the European leaders are doing so little to condemn the starvation and ultimately murder of thousands of children.
Of course we should condemn all child murder. Of course it is atrocious what hamas has done to Israel. That’s not the question.
Why are our leaders accepting this eye for an eye, a child for a child revenge?
If you disagree and take to the streets, you risk getting arrested for antisemitism. But what if you have no such feelings, not even pro Palestine - you are just anti-mass-killing of kids? In France they’ve banned such protests. In France! Their right to protest is at the center of their being!
I used to wonder how people just sat by and accepted what was happening in ww2. They didn’t even have access to all the information we have available to us today. I can see the live updates and it’s clear so many more children will be dead by Monday. And I’m sat at home watching a Disney movie with my kids while my husband makes hello fresh. And voicing my first online opinion on mumsnet because if I dare post anything on social I risk getting accused of not standing by the people of Israel.
But supporting x doesn’t mean accepting y and standing against y doesn’t mean being prejudice against x.
I just don’t stand for the killing of kids and I am disappointed in Europes leaders for doing so little to speak out against it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mUMiuDq4_vU

It is because there is a massive propaganda campaign to make all Palestinians look like a terrible islamist threat for the world.

It's on every thread, they always repeat the same things over and over again using facts that have nothing to do with Gaza or Palestinians (or date 50 years) or are completely false.

Honestly, it could be AI bots, it could be people who want to make sure people are too scared to help Palestinians and look the other way while Israel carpet bomb them.

I am actually happy to see that with every day passing, more and more people see through this and feel free to express their support to the civilians of Gaza during these horrendous times.

I was slightly starting to lose faith in humanity

"You also exaggerated this as “supporting genocide” when “sometimes justified attacks” on civilians are not the same as supporting genocide".

All the while the poster was justifying attacks on civilians in Gaza. You can't make that shit up.

@Skodacool

Let's not forget the massacre of Hebron in 1994 by a jewish extremist. To punish him, Israel divided the town in zones and made it illegal for Palestinians to walk those streets.

Note that during the funeral of the Palestinian victims, the Israeli attacked them and killed some more.

The killer's tombstone has been a place of adoration for extremist jews.

But yeah, Israel was lovely with Palestinians until they sent themselves to Gaza and voted for Hamas!

https://www.newarab.com/analysis/hebron-case-study-israeli-apartheid

"Israelis have acted with greater care than any other country in any other conflict by warning civilians of bombing. "

Ok, guys you see it too, right? That'a Russian level of Propaganda.

Your example has no correlation to the current situation, Hamas have not moved on, they’ve just attempted to manipulate the international community.

so how would you like Israel to react to Jihad on their soil?

I could cry at all the people whp don't know the history of opresaion of Palestinians and who will just swallow all the misinformation about the spread on every thread.

Thanks for fighting peopaganda with so kich knowledge. It warms my heart so much.

How will this work practically? If Israel stops the blockade and stops bombing Gaza will Hammas also stop attacking Israel?

Surely until Hammas are gone from Gaza there can never be any solution. If Hammas had any thought for the Palestinian people they should allow a peace keeping UN force to come in and hold free and fair elections. That will never happen. If only those states who fund Hammas would bring their influence to bear but they won't because they also have their own agendas.

It all feels so unsolvable and I feel so desperately sorry for all the innocent civilians caught up in this.

Yes. They are anterrorist group who have blood on their hand. But not an Islamist terrorist group set on killing all the jews.

Honestly, this attack is so horrible that there is no need to create a narrative or lie, really, the acts of Hamas should speak for themselves....

I don't understand what you mean by speak up op? I'm as appalled by anyone but who is listening to me? My vote doesn't even count never mind my anger.

Surely until Hammas are gone from Gaza there can never be any solution. If Hammas had any thought for the Palestinian people they should allow a peace keeping UN force to come in and hold free and fair elections. That will never happen. If only those states who fund Hammas would bring their influence to bear but they won't because they also have their own agendas.

I think you are confused? Hamas are not stopping anyone from entering. Israel are. Israel are also killing UN workers.

I think Hamas themselves would argue they are an Islamist group before they would agree they are a terrorist group. (Note I said Islamist rather than Islamic!)

or are you saying they are an Islamist terror group but killing Jews is not part of their agenda, per se?

Honestly? We should be in the street, not screaming Free Palestine but screeming "don't justify war crimes in my name" or "stop condoning the massacre in Gaza". Or make a petition... Or... something.

I guess I just feel powerless. And what they are doing at the moment is terrifying me, not only for now but later. They have decided that we support Israel so they silence a whole part of the story, lie and remove our freedom of expression? To then cheer Israel during a genocide and put a whole show of support? Wha?...

I had to read Putin's statement and agree. While our leaders are acting like Putin normally does? Did I wake up in the twilight zone?

I am still processing actually. I am genuinely in a state of shock. What is happening?

I think Hamas very clearly is a group for freedom of Palestine who has chosen to use violence so are called terrorist group by some nations.

That was an indisputable fact up until 7 days ago.

Why they chose to go full Isis and do every possible despicable crime known that would make everyone want to not care if everyone in Palestine is killed, the day Israel has the biggest failure of security ever and now, 6 days later Israel is the baddie and we need to find a way to stop them, while our politicians seems to have been replaced by defective robots, we might never know.

I just want to go to bed and sleep more than two hours and wake up in my OG parallel universe where thi gs made a bit of sense.

Or At least I'd take Biden, Macron or Sunak say "fuck that, this has gone too far, Israel must stop this madness"

I am not confused. What I am saying is that whilst Hammas remain as the government in Gaza I cannot see how there can be peace. Do you really think that if Hammas remain in power this won't happen again?

I am talking about a situation where a cease fire exists and the people of Gaza have the right to a free and fair election overseen by the UN or other international body so that they can try to have a representative government.

Obviously there is also the issue of Netanyahu as any Israeli government would need to be prepared to enter into talks but that is a whole other problem.

The situation seems hopeless and I am only trying to envisage a scenario which might provide a solution. However I am probably being completely unrealistic.

Why it happened is most likely linked to external funding in an attempt to heavily destabilise Israel. This is why the West needs to especially stand with Israel, because the wider world is at risk. This time we shouldn’t be waiting until Poland is invaded or Pearl Harbour is bombed.

Well OP are you going to be in the streets tonight, or ...?

How are our leaders acting like Putin?

Or At least I'd take Biden, Macron or Sunak say "fuck that, this has gone too far, Israel must stop this madness"

The first two people on your list of three did ask Israel to show restraint, which is the same thing in this climate I recon.

When the Home Secretary has done her best to make as much as possible in support of Palestine seemingly criminal? A few years ago, I had a Palestinian flag permanently flying, now that could be seen as a crime. I have never supported Hamas and never will, but have always disagreed with the treatment of those living in Palestine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter

their founding charter literally called for Jihad
against Israel.

Their fluffier updated version agreed to a two state solution as a stepping stone to wiping out their “Zionist enemy”

Agree with @Maatandosiris this isn't just between the Gazans and Israel, it's beneficial for the West to support Israel and avoid awful ramifications if the region were further destabilised, Israel is a stabilising force in the region. The west needs Israel to be strong, and our governments care about that and sadly they dont give a fuck about the people who will die (inc Israeli hostages).

The UN supporting a new government in Gaza is probably the only way out (seeing as Hamas has "suspended elections") but after what happened in Afghanistan, no government will get involved.