To think we need to speak up

[BigBillyButterBollocks]

Loud. Fast.

I don't want to turn it into a Hamas is responsible/Israel is responsible. I don't want to turn it into a debate.

It takes 3 to 5 days to die from dehydration. Probably less for babies. Being stuck with 2 million people also desperate for water is gonna turn ugly. Then there are the bombings, no food, the lack of medical supplies.

When a journalist asked if the electricity cuts would impact babies in incubators, he was shamed for supporting Hamas beheading babies.

When a journalist asked if the siege was a war crime, the impact on civilians and why did all politicians present the attack as Islamist attack against Jews without any context about the Palestinian cause, he was shamed for supporting Hamas and the atrocities that happened.

When a journalist asked if the siege was legal, that labour lady whose name escapes me kept on repeating a rehearsed message of "Israel has the right to defend himself".

They all seem to have gotten a memo that you deflect any question with shaming and bringing up the atrocities against Israeli children.

Atrocities happened in Israel. It sickens me and saddens me deeply. There is no excuse for it. But it can't be used to avoid talking about what is happening in Gaza. I feel we are being gaslighted into not asking questions.

I want to believe they are secretely working on a deal but I don't think they are. And time is not on Gaza's civilians side.

AIBU to think we should be making a lot of noise for our politicians to stop defending the Gaza siege and start speaking up about this? NOW. Not in 3/5/10 days?

It is haunting me at the moment. I can't focus at work, I can't sleep. What the fuck are we letting happen?

Hamas will settle for nothing other than the destruction of Israel. They've said so often enough.

If people vote terrorists into power then this is what can happen.

No one wants to see what we are seeing but we need to remember what started it this time. Hamas' evil murdering of the innocent.

Sometimes things are so vile that attempting context looks pathetic. This is one such occasion.

And Isreal will settle for nothing less than the destruction of Palestine it seems as their way of getting rid of Hamas

With their history you would think they would understand how ineffective that will be

I see you got the memo about deflecting.

No one has offered/even mentionned a safe passage for the sick children to be evacuated. How vile is that?

I don't want to get lost in futile debates.

For those who think we should speak up/do something, how could we go about it?

If people vote terrorists into power then this is what can happen.

Hamas won less than 50% of the vote, so not all “people” voted them into power.

I do think Hamas being elected in Gaza (but not recently, as they haven't allowed any recent elections) makes a difference. They are terrorists, but they're also the authority in Gaza.

And they're who the people most recently voted to represent them, so it's not like their totally unendorsed by the Gazans.

The German civilians in towns that would have been bombed during WW2 weren't personally responsible for the Nazi party actions either, but they still would have suffered and died when their houses were bombed.

But then on the other hand, to see this play out, and your point about babies starving and dying in cold incubators...

I just don't see any answers. Israel can't let Hamas carry on after this weekend. But those babies have not done anything.

Israel has told the citizens to evacuate to the south. Do you think they will be attacked as they leave?

Hamas has told them to stay put.

Hamas cares nothing for the lives of the innocent on either side. Their representatives are on TV saying no citizens have been killed. In the face of such lies it's hard to know how there can be any help.

Let me be clear. I could not give less of a fuck about Hamas causing it/Israel being responsible.

WE NEED TO DEMAND OUR POLITICIANS TO STOP DEFENDING THE SIEGE.

Water, electricity and food needs to be available for civilians. Today. Period.

You do realise the Palestinians didn't actually get a vote, yeah?

Defending genocide is a revolting suggestion.

Defending war crimes, not so great.

Whoever carries them out.

Do you think it's humanly possible through already bombed infrastructure to evacuate 1.1M civilians in 24hrs? Even Israel knows that just isn't possible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election

Israel’s history of war crimes is long and shameful. The next one is being committed now.

I absolutely agree that Hamas are terrorists and what they did was disgusting and sickening and they need to be destroyed. They are not acting for Palestinians but for themselves and their warped views. Israel has a right to defend itself.

But it does not have a right to kill any civilians just because they share the same space with a Terrorist organisation. Israel is going to let thousands of Palestinian children slowly starve to death, with some screaming in pain as they have no access to medicine or water. That is murder. And it is equally as abhorrent as what the Hamas terrorists did to Israeli babies and children.

It’s an absolute disgrace.

but they have form. Look up the massacre of women, children and the elderly in the Sabra and Shatila massacre and you will see that it’s not only Hamas but the Israelis and (Christian) Lebanese that commit these atrocities. The animation, made by Israelis, “waltz with Bashir” is a good way to learn about how Israel facilitated this massacre.

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It is absolutely terrifying that our leaders are endorsing murdering civilians because Hamas murdered civilians. The slaughters carried out by Hamas are absolutely abhorrent. The Palestinian babies and children who are going to be slowly starving to death and dying from water borne diseases are going to be suffering in a prolonged and painful way. And there are going to be hundreds more Palestinian children dying than in Israel. Just like there have been for years and years.

You are one sick person. I feel so sorry for you. Justifying the death of thousands of babies and children.

Verified by Human Right Watch, white phosphorus bombs were used. It is a war crime in highly populated areas.

Once again, I hear silence.

Who? Me?

This is from BBC website a couple of days ago -

Scenes coming out of Gaza will be difficult to cope with: IDF
The Israeli army has warned that "fighting will intensify" even as the death toll in both Israel and Gaza continue to climb.
"We have sustained extremely heavy casualties... This, however, will not deter us and it will not weaken our resolve," said the Spokesperson Lt Col (res) Jonathan Conricus in a video update .
He added that he hoped support for Israel would continue even once fighting intensified.
"We hope that remains that way even when the fighting will intensify and the scenes coming out of the Gaza Strip will be more difficult to understand and cope with," he said.

The groundwork was being set for exactly this - the genocide of people in Gaza and the expectation is that the world will support this because that is equals “support for Israel”.

Hamas will settle for nothing other than the destruction of Israel

Hamas has evolved beyond their 1988 charter.

Please at least read the history of Hamas on Wikipedia. They have repeatedly agreed to a two state solution with the 1967 borders for almost twenty years. That is what all their statements say. It was almost formalised under the Obama administration but then in 2015, Netanyahu backtracked and stated there would be no Palestinian State so long as he was in power. Hamas responded with a 2017 charter formalising their objective as the two state solution with the 1967 borders.

Prior to that the PLO agreed to a two state solution using the UN 1948 borders via the 1993 Oslo Accord which Israel agreed to and then promptly violated with illegal settlement and expulsion of Palestinians from their land and homes.

I am writing my MP since just having a Palestinian flag is now a hate crime. Hamas have their own flag, so it’s like banning a German flag because the Nazis were German.

@BigBillyButterBollocks Why not ask the neighbouring states why they are doing so little for the Palestinians? Seems like you’re asking the wrong question of the wrong people.

Because I could not care less about whataboutism at the moment.

The UN has rightly called on Israel to retract the evacuation order as it is impossible for civilians to comply. The evacuation order also included all UN staff and all civilians sheltering in UN schools, health clinics, and so on.

“U.N. spokesman Stéphane Dujarric called the order “impossible” without “devastating humanitarian consequences.” A UN official says that the United Nation is trying to get clarity from Israeli officials at the senior most political level.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/gaza-ap-hamas-israel-jerusalem-b2429033.html

And
”Meanwhile, Dujarric told Axios: "Today, just before midnight local time, team leaders of the UN Office of the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs and the Department of Safety and Security in Gaza were informed by their liaison officers in the Israeli military that the entire population of Gaza north of Wadi Gaza should relocate to southern Gaza within the next 24 hours.

• "This amounts to approximately 1.1 million people. The same order applied to all UN staff and those sheltered in UN facilities – including schools, health centers and clinics," Dujarric said.
• "The United Nations considers it impossible for such a movement to take place without devastating humanitarian consequences," Dujarric added.
• "The United Nations strongly appeals for any such order, if confirmed, to be rescinded avoiding what could transform what is already a tragedy into a calamitous situation."

State of play: UN Secretary-General António Guterres spoke twice on Thursday night with Israeli Ambassador to the UN Gilad Erdan and said he wants to get clarification at the highest political level about Israel's request to evacuate the population from the northern Gaza strip, a UN source said.

• Erdan in a statement called the "UN's response to Israel's early warning to the residents of Gaza is shameful!"
• "For many years, the UN has turned a blind eye to the arming of Hamas and its use of the civilian population and civilian infrastructure in the Gaza Strip as a hiding place for its weapons and murder," Erdan said.
• "Now, instead of standing by Israel, whose citizens were slaughtered by Hamas terrorists and who tries to minimize harm to those not involved, it preaches to Israel. It is better for the UN to focus now on returning the hostages, condemning Hamas, and supporting Israel's right to defend itself," he said.

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/13/israel-gaza-hamas-evacuate-un-ground-operation

Your lack of nuance is exactly why the questions are dodged.