To think we need to speak up

[BigBillyButterBollocks]

Loud. Fast.

I don't want to turn it into a Hamas is responsible/Israel is responsible. I don't want to turn it into a debate.

It takes 3 to 5 days to die from dehydration. Probably less for babies. Being stuck with 2 million people also desperate for water is gonna turn ugly. Then there are the bombings, no food, the lack of medical supplies.

When a journalist asked if the electricity cuts would impact babies in incubators, he was shamed for supporting Hamas beheading babies.

When a journalist asked if the siege was a war crime, the impact on civilians and why did all politicians present the attack as Islamist attack against Jews without any context about the Palestinian cause, he was shamed for supporting Hamas and the atrocities that happened.

When a journalist asked if the siege was legal, that labour lady whose name escapes me kept on repeating a rehearsed message of "Israel has the right to defend himself".

They all seem to have gotten a memo that you deflect any question with shaming and bringing up the atrocities against Israeli children.

Atrocities happened in Israel. It sickens me and saddens me deeply. There is no excuse for it. But it can't be used to avoid talking about what is happening in Gaza. I feel we are being gaslighted into not asking questions.

I want to believe they are secretely working on a deal but I don't think they are. And time is not on Gaza's civilians side.

AIBU to think we should be making a lot of noise for our politicians to stop defending the Gaza siege and start speaking up about this? NOW. Not in 3/5/10 days?

It is haunting me at the moment. I can't focus at work, I can't sleep. What the fuck are we letting happen?

Civilians should not be harmed, absolutely. It doesn’t matter what their nationality or religion. Everyone agrees with you that of course the Israeli civilians taken hostage by Hamas should immediately be released unharmed. Everyone agrees that the things Hamas militants did were evil and wrong and utterly repugnant.

But you missed a big and important step in the way you set things out above. A siege. Imposed on purpose by the government of a modern first world country, which will lead to suffering and death of civilians - possibly including the Israeli hostages who we’re all desperately hoping making it home alive.

The Israeli government had a choice in how to respond to the atrocities. The choice they have taken is to destroy a densely populated civilian settlement where half the inhabitants are children. This wasn’t their only option, and it’s (in my view) an utterly cruel and immoral thing to do, and cannot be justified. Governments are not terrorist organisations and are supposed to be bound by internationally agreed standards of behaviour.

Another person who seems to want the UK to be world police. I want our politicians to stay out of it. It’s not our fight.

WHO have said it is impossible to evacuate ill patients in hospital. They have said they are currently living under a death sentence.

Ireland has always been pro Palestinian for obvious reasons so I do think we are getting more balanced news reporting over here and hearing more from inside Gaza

UNICEF also pleading for Israel to step back and give them a chance to save children's lives. Stating it's a breach of international law

@AmazingSnakeHead Sure. The other problem though is that opinion polls in recent times show that many, if not most, adults there do support Hamas.

The BBC covers it

I highly doubt that they’d attack and kill their rescuers.

I don't know but agree we need to do something. I've written to my MP & cancelled my labour membership because of their unequivocal support of the war crimes Israel are committing. Its not enough, but I feel lost as to what we can actually do.

Why is the solution not that Hamas releases the hostages (including babies and children), and then Israel stop the seige

Are you seriously suggesting that if the hostages are released Israel will simply call the whole thing off?

Even if that were remotely credible, the hostages won’t be released because of the siege and Israel knows that full well. Same way it knows you cannot evacuate that many civilians in 24h.

Why is it those countries’ job? Should countries only take refugees of the same ethnicity and religion?

The Palestinian Red Crescent Society in North Gaza:

”Despite the occupations threats to shell, the decision has been made. We have not and will not leave. Our medics will carry on their humanitarian duties. We will not leave people to face death alone.”

For people you feel so much sympathy for, you don't seem to be particularly interested in listening to or understanding them.

Israel says it will turn on the power when Hamas returns the hostages. The humanitarian disaster is 100% the fault of Hamas.

Saudi, Egyptian, Algerian, Iraqi, Qatari & UAE statement:

"We do not accept the genocide targeting Gaza...if the bombing does not stop by 5 p.m. today, we will begin withdrawing our ambassadors from Washington, London, Paris & all countries supporting the Israeli war on Gaza"

Friday 13 October 2023, the West has lost the moral high ground forever. No matter those countries motivation, they spoke the words that need to be spoken.

The West is lead by little, weak, cowardly genocide apologists. I hope they end up one day in front of a tribunal for their participation in war crimes. I will never forget. I am absolutely fuming.

Hamas has 150 hostages, Israel 2 millions. They can both go fuck themselves to the deepest end of Hell.

Countries shouldn't take refugees from places where a majority of the population believes that country is allied to one which is at war with them, not only at war but engaged in a genocide of them. That's something only insane people do, which is why most western countries have done it for decades. Which in turn is why many Jewish children in the UK are being kept home from school today.

I think your lack of sympathy for civilians in Gaza to the point you claimed
”Some of the refugees would try to kill the crew” if we tried to rescue some by ship would shows you have zero understanding and have not listened to their voices at all.

Tell me, how many RNLI and U.K. Coast Guards have been killed by Iraqi, Afghan, Syrian and Libyan refugees in all the channel boats they’ve rescued? Oh, what’s that? Fucking ZERO.

Refugees do not kill their rescuers.

Your anger undermines your argument. Hamas surprise-attacked Israel. None of this needed to happen, but if you start a war against a superior adversary, this is the logical result.

War crimes are the logical results?

I don't engage in childish sympathy pissing contests. Actual Hamas supporters are available to you on twitter at any time and will be happy to explain to you what they'd do if given that opportunity.

I think Israel will force Egypt to take all of the survivors.

How would they force it? Egypt may well say no?

What war crimes? Have the UN declared that the Israeli bombing of Gaza is a war crime?

Who defines and calls it? You?

I feel you. I am incredibly angry and upset today. Those poor people. I just cannot understand how anyone could support it. I'm in Ireland so our government doesn't but seeing some of the most powerful countries in the world turn their backs, it's horrific.

I'm going to have to stop mumsnet for the day because it is so upsetting and infuriating seeing people justifying what is happening. There are no excuses for genocide. None. Ever.

The good side is refusing to participate in a war crimes that consists of cutting food and water supply to 1 million children. I will die on that mountain.

Mate...

The UN have told Israel to rescind the order to relocate out of North Gaza on the grounds that it is impossible, and would have disastrous consequences.