To think we need to speak up

[BigBillyButterBollocks]

Loud. Fast.

I don't want to turn it into a Hamas is responsible/Israel is responsible. I don't want to turn it into a debate.

It takes 3 to 5 days to die from dehydration. Probably less for babies. Being stuck with 2 million people also desperate for water is gonna turn ugly. Then there are the bombings, no food, the lack of medical supplies.

When a journalist asked if the electricity cuts would impact babies in incubators, he was shamed for supporting Hamas beheading babies.

When a journalist asked if the siege was a war crime, the impact on civilians and why did all politicians present the attack as Islamist attack against Jews without any context about the Palestinian cause, he was shamed for supporting Hamas and the atrocities that happened.

When a journalist asked if the siege was legal, that labour lady whose name escapes me kept on repeating a rehearsed message of "Israel has the right to defend himself".

They all seem to have gotten a memo that you deflect any question with shaming and bringing up the atrocities against Israeli children.

Atrocities happened in Israel. It sickens me and saddens me deeply. There is no excuse for it. But it can't be used to avoid talking about what is happening in Gaza. I feel we are being gaslighted into not asking questions.

I want to believe they are secretely working on a deal but I don't think they are. And time is not on Gaza's civilians side.

AIBU to think we should be making a lot of noise for our politicians to stop defending the Gaza siege and start speaking up about this? NOW. Not in 3/5/10 days?

It is haunting me at the moment. I can't focus at work, I can't sleep. What the fuck are we letting happen?

There is no good side. It's a real life war. There's the state of Israel and Hamas making deicisons. And then there's civilisans on both sides not making decisions. There's good and bad decisions, for sure, and I agree with you that a seige is a morally bad decision. But there are no good or bad sides, unless you want to say that Hamas is the good side, which presumably you don't.

UNICEF also calling it a war crime

Hamas’ terrorist attack & war crime of last weekend was not the start of a war, this particular war has been going on since the Israeli IDF shot hundreds of peaceful Palestinian protesters including children during the Great Return Marches of 2018. The UN also called this a war crime.

Since then, there has been attacks also called war crimes by the UN committed by both sides with only a small pause for the pandemic.

But this is an escalation from a cycle of war crimes to Israel now committing a crime against humanity via the Gaza siege and bombardment per the UN.

@SnowflakeCity Something changed and will never be the same. Watching European politicians speak the word they spoke, defend the things they defended, do the things they did, I am absolutely sickened. I am a bit in shock tbh. I know we could suck, but boy... That?

Not just what they said but how hard they tried to stop people and journalists to protest or question war crimes and a mass murder. I have been nauseous for days.

It is extremely serious and it's gonna take me a while to process.

You’re equating kids being kept at home for a day to kids being bombed to shreds!?

At least recognise the real fears behind this decision

I feel you. I’m so upset I haven’t slept the last few days.

Wow. Hopefully Israel will respect Red Crescent medics and their clinics sheltering injured civilians when they roll the tanks into Gaza.

They’ve killed UN workers. They clearly respect no one.

So far, Israel has bombed the aid coming from Egypt, a hospital, ambulances and UN safe spaces. So my wild guess is, no they will not repect Red Cross Medics.

I've slept one or 2 hours each night for the last few days. My friend told this morning her too. I thought it was just me.

She is shell shocked like me about what our leaders are capable of.

The Israeli government acts like a terrorist organisation - there is NO way to justify what they are going to do in Gaza.

Hamas are a disgrace to humanity - but the Israeli government is too

Yes, I have seen over a dozen UN staff killed in air strikes and press actually targeted & shot. The UN staff I think is likely due to the indiscriminate carpet bombing that kills everyone around each of the over 6,000 bombs.

But once ground troops roll in, it doesn’t have to be indiscriminate.

They can choose to not shoot Red Cross/Crescent medics or their patients.

When it comes to the attack on Israel, the goodies and baddies are clear.

When it comes to the siege of Gaza, the goodies and baddies are clear.

Just because you were the goodie once doesn't mean you are not the ansolute baddies whem you try to starve children after that.

@Worddance

"There are things we don't do, even if someone else has done them. One is starve, inflict a drought upon and bomb a race of people who are mostly children.

Without so much as an escape corridor that isn't under bombardment or a reasonable time frame to vacate."

Spot on. The absolute calloussness of subjecting Gazans to a total siege, in an open air prison, while carpet bombing them and using Phosphorus bombs. And having a team of powerful bullies guarding you so no one can stop you. I feel sick just writing it. How much can you want people to suffer?

Write to your MP and please for calm and a neutral measured response. I have- no reply as yet

Completely agree

Tbh we can’t do anything. At the end of the day this has the potential to turn into a full world war. The West v the East. wars have casualties. It is always the innocent who suffer. As Satre said when rich men fight wars it’s the poor who die.

We can do little about what’s now happening. We should have stopped Hamas along time a go. As soon as they said their mission was to annihilate Jews in the holy land the international community should have destroyed them. The Gaza Strip should never have been allowed.

We need to hope we get through the current crisis (and unfortunately there is likely to be a lot of bloodshed before that is done). Wars are always terrible but often needed. The funding of Hamas by Iran has been done, not with the intention only of killing Jews and exiling them from their homeland, it is with the intention of destroying East West relations.

We have seen this before, time and fucking time again. This could easily lead to WW3!

Going forward, we need to remember the past and learn from it. Fuck compulsory maths to 18, history needs to be. None of this politically correct fluffy shit either, where Churchill seems to be painted now as some evil monster! We need to learn from history, we need to recognise human nature means a never ending cycle of war. We need to recognise sometimes this leads to appaling choices. But for the greater good of freedom we need to stand firm even when it goes against our normal views of the world.

As awful as some of those immediate consequences are, the threat of world war is what’s concerning me most now.

Going forward we need to stop being so complacent. We nearly had Hamas’s friend Corbyn in number 10. At what point did anyone think that was a good idea to elect someone so antisemitic into a position of such power - again we have learned nothing. But whilst any of his supporters remain in Parliament Labour can never be allowed into power!

Write to a MP? Maybe for long term freedom of Palestine, but half of Gaza will be dead before that triggers any sort of reaction.

I have as well.

Mine echoed FM Yousaf’s call for an immediate cease fire. We have until tomorrow morning before Israel starts going in on the ground. The U.K. government could do an emergency meeting and convince the PM Sunak to call for a cease fire.

This isn't very nuanced though. They are utterly desperate and feel powerless. I'm sure Hamas would say they're only listened to when they do these horrific attacks. I expect those support figures would be different if they were asked do you agree with Hamas's methods.
That said the accounts of parading women through streets and raping and murdering them is just disgusting and unforgivable however oppressed you are.

And then what? Let a terrorist organisation have free rein to murder Jews again?

What should the international community do about the atrocities carried out by Hamas? What should they do about a Government who has the stated aim of wiping out Jews from the holy land?

Hamas had rejected every compromise ever put forward. Why do you think they would be reasonable now?

Refugees are not Hamas terrorists.