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To not understand how Hannah Ingram-Moore can lie so unashamedly?

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TigerQueenie · 12/10/2023 16:15

So she's admitted keeping over £800k of the money raised for herself. Claims it was her fathers wish, even though it wasn't documented anywhere, that the proceeds from his book stay in the family. The foreword of the book talks of his delight to be able to raise even more money through sales of his book. She claims nobody has been mislead.

And then cried.

How is there not being a bigger deal made of it?

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QueenBitch666 · 12/10/2023 23:00

I was all a bit cringe really. The grifters were laughing all the way to the bank with the dosh of the gullible

Luddite26 · 12/10/2023 23:01

Have to say I took no interest whatsoever in Captain Tom and paid no money thankfully. But the ward my daughter works on received a second hand fridge an an air fryer from money donated by his fund!

Barbadossunset · 12/10/2023 23:18

AndIKnewYouMeantIt · Today 16:40

It was the Military angle, right? We're all supposed to go all gooey over little old men in medals. We're the nation of Help for Heroes bumper stickers.

Horrible comment.

Doiordontigiveone · 12/10/2023 23:21

I thought from the very beginning that she was wheeling him out for her own agenda. That holiday they were given on TV could have killed him he was so frail but she clearly wanted to go. You could totally see the greed always shining through with her yet the media lapped it all up over and over. I wasn't the least bit surprised when this all came out.

Flickersy · 12/10/2023 23:27

I remember expressing scepticism about the entire affair on here during COVID back in 2020.

I was called a traitor (yes, really) and to shut up and go away.

How times have changed.

IslandsInTheSunshine · 13/10/2023 08:32

The crux of this latest revelation is the profits from the books he wrote.

(I think she 'ghost wrote them for him because her own website lists her many achievements as an 'author')

On the one hand, he supposedly said at the time that writing his memoir was another way to raise money for the causes he believed in.

So people bought the book to the tune of £800,000 profit. (That's a lot of books.)

What she is saying now is that it was always his plan for her (the family) to keep the profits from the books.

Her entire online profile as 'Life Coach' is built on what appear to be half-truths.

She's promoting herself as a successful business woman (hmmm....!) but every job she has had appears to be working for her husband's company or work connected with it. So it's very unclear how much she worked for other companies.

She also says she is an 'accredited coach' but there are no qualifications or training listed.

Roussette · 13/10/2023 09:26

What I don't understand is...before she flounced out of the interview it was established that the majority of the 800k was down to merchandising his name (gin, biscuits, calendars etc) She said yes to this when asked by PM

When they returned the story had changed. And it was profit from the books

Vistada · 13/10/2023 09:28

she calculated this from the start.

If my dad decided to do this, my first reaction would be "thats nice" - maybe a post on a local fb group?

Hers was to arrange a full press conference and secure the services of a PR company...

Greenshake · 13/10/2023 09:29

Exactly Roussette. Part of this sorry tale must be bordering on criminality, surely?

DriftingDora · 13/10/2023 09:35

IslandsInTheSunshine · 13/10/2023 08:32

The crux of this latest revelation is the profits from the books he wrote.

(I think she 'ghost wrote them for him because her own website lists her many achievements as an 'author')

On the one hand, he supposedly said at the time that writing his memoir was another way to raise money for the causes he believed in.

So people bought the book to the tune of £800,000 profit. (That's a lot of books.)

What she is saying now is that it was always his plan for her (the family) to keep the profits from the books.

Her entire online profile as 'Life Coach' is built on what appear to be half-truths.

She's promoting herself as a successful business woman (hmmm....!) but every job she has had appears to be working for her husband's company or work connected with it. So it's very unclear how much she worked for other companies.

She also says she is an 'accredited coach' but there are no qualifications or training listed.

'Life Coach'...yes another crapspeak title, like 'Influencer'. I would think HI-M and her family will be as popular as an attack of diarrhoea in the local area with all this going on.

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TigerQueenie · 13/10/2023 09:42

MetaverseMavis · 12/10/2023 19:42

I'm in an alternate universe tonight where I keep spotting threads in which the OP hasn't returned, but I can't call it for fear of being deleted - tis a strange old evening

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My most sincere and heartfelt apologies for not being online constantly, and having things to do.

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Crikeyalmighty · 13/10/2023 11:10

@TigerQueenie ha, ha - lol- how very dare you

Vinny45 · 13/10/2023 12:44

Her son knows the truth about his manipulative and deceitful mother. Can see it in his eyes whenever they are pictured together. So much love towards his grandfather, but a look of resentment towards her.
Honestly, I'd have her auctioned off on the dark web, the fraudulent little conwoman!!

MojoMoon · 13/10/2023 14:05

800k is a massive profit from books alone - royalties are under 10pc of the price the book is sold for.

Even if they got 10pc as royalties (a very high rate), they would need to have sold 400,000 books at £20 each.

Let's assume they got more like 5pc which would be more realistic and they would need to have sold 800,000 at £20 each...

I know book sales went up in the pandemic, but really?

Crikeyalmighty · 13/10/2023 14:37

@MojoMoon it will be more than that I think as if it's like music (which we work in) it's usually based on dealer price - ie the price retail gets them for- so would I think be more like 720,000 sales

NerrSnerr · 13/10/2023 14:41

FebruaryOnMyMind · 12/10/2023 22:45

She is a grifter and a thief.

Her father was a lovely man who raised money for the NHS etc and the daughter stole rather a lot of it and looked for ways to gain more and more of it.

How do you know he was lovely or are you assuming that because he was old he had to be lovely.

Of course he knew what they were all doing? Do you honestly think that they dragged him against his will on holiday, breaking Covid rules or do you assume that because he was old he was somehow stupid?

TheFairyCaravan · 13/10/2023 14:58

It’s funny how the story of where the £800k came from changed after she threw her toys out of the pram and stormed off. The pair of them are disgusting.

Crikeyalmighty · 13/10/2023 15:07

They kind of remind me of Neil and Christine Hamilton- very respectable and well presented but hard nosed Tory villagey types , but would sell their own grandmother (in this case their father) to keep appearances up. No doubt critical of anyone doing a £50 a week bit of extra 'on the side' but happy to be economical with the truth when it comes to a nice little earner themselves.

Bustarold · 13/10/2023 16:15

Why do so many think that Tom Moore was a great guy, lovey person, etc.?
The whole thing is laughable, same as the pot banging and clapping, and the silly idolatry of the NHS in this country. In every other European country national health systems are there to serve the public, not put on a pedestal. And no, it shouldn't rely on charity. It's immoral, servile and Victorian. We pay a lot of tax and NI in this country, taken out of our salary every month. Enough now!

Crikeyalmighty · 13/10/2023 16:24

@Bustarold I've kind of reserved judgement on the old gentleman - because we simply don't know him on a personal level . I've got an older relative of 86, comes across as quite a sweet old chap if you met him casually- he really really isn't. Very patriotic yes, but was a big admirer of Enoch Powell despite having a lot of advantages in life that younger people don't have, cheap housing (that he then bought) , free university, huge non contributory pension. He has some truly horrible views and opinions. Savill did lots for charity and raised huge amounts- but was an utter arse - I think it's best just to go with the facts in this case and at the moment this pair aren't looking good.

HowareFigRollsstillselling · 13/10/2023 20:25

Hope she is subject to a criminal investigation

Jzp · 14/10/2023 09:27

SummaLuvin
My feelings exactly!

Litchrally · 14/10/2023 10:03

I wonder when there will be a Netflix documentary on those two. Victims or villains they can call it.

PylaSheight · 14/10/2023 10:26

thecatsthecats · 12/10/2023 16:40

He didn't do a great thing though. He did an averagely nice thing that happened to get a lot of attention and, without any specific effort of his own, happened to raise more money than he could ever have imagined.

There's nothing wrong with having done an averagely nice thing. Averagely nice covers the vast majority of the human race. Calling it a great thing is falling into the same hysteria that caused the media frenzy in the first place.

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Totally agree.
Plus, if I remember rightly, he was already having to walk a certain amount as part of his physiotherapy post hip replacement I think. So he wasn't doing anything just for NHS charities, he was walking around his garden because it was part of his treatment plan, and he and/or his daughter decided to make money from it. The media hyped it up to a crazy level and many people, needing some positivity in life, lapped it up

PylaSheight · 14/10/2023 10:48

littleripper · 12/10/2023 20:37

They were all grifters. Utter grifters Tom, her, the lot of them. The UKs twin obsessions of the NHS and WW2 during a national pandemic? It was genius and in my view absolutely obvious at the time. Tom had even been on the game show circuit in the 80s - hardly the shy retiring old man.

Yup. Posters saying he was manipulated by family are assuming he had limited capacity to make his own decisions, and that the media involvement was all her idea. As you said, he'd been on at least one prime time BBC1 game show in the 80s (when his daughters were only children), so he was hardly a shrinking violet avoiding the limelight.

And to posters assuming he was lovely, unless you knew him personally you know nothing about him other than what the family and media want you to know.