To not understand how Hannah Ingram-Moore can lie so unashamedly?

[TigerQueenie]

So she's admitted keeping over £800k of the money raised for herself. Claims it was her fathers wish, even though it wasn't documented anywhere, that the proceeds from his book stay in the family. The foreword of the book talks of his delight to be able to raise even more money through sales of his book. She claims nobody has been mislead.

And then cried.

How is there not being a bigger deal made of it?

She should have to pay every single penny back to the charity, scum bags

I don’t know of any area that I work in/have worked in to have seen any of that money towards staff health and well-being. None.

I get that it’s a separate charity but other posters mentioned the nhs charities.

I have no problem with Captain Tom. I just think there was a staggering amount of money raised and I’ve seen no evidence of it helping any of the staff I know in the community or the hospital 🤷‍♀️

Word Grifter comes to mind.

The whole thing was ridiculous from the very beginning. My recently deceased father in law also fought in WWII, then stayed in the army for a few years before going into business. He was an official too, I can’t remember the rank as it wasn’t a very relevant topic of conversation. The idea of him and his family resurrecting his medals and awards decades later for whatever reason would have been ridiculous, as this was. People are very gullible I’m afraid.

@VeterinaryCareAssistant

Those "little old men in medals" deserve respect and admiration.

This. Good grief - he was clearly a brave soul who’d done more for this country than most. Let’s show a little respect to him (the daughter is a different story entirely.)

I'm in an alternate universe tonight where I keep spotting threads in which the OP hasn't returned, but I can't call it for fear of being deleted - tis a strange old evening

Absolutely right. Have some respect, AndIKnewYouMeantIt, and grow up. Many men who served in the military never got the chance to become 'little old men in medals' as you so insensitively and dismissively put it. Try reading some history.
And what have Help for Heroes bumper stickers got to do with anything? If people support that particular cause and want to put a sticker on their car bumper, so what?

I've reported the thread.
It's so grim.
Can't understand why it hasn't been deleted.

Perhaps because it hasn’t broken any talk guidelines? People are allowed to have different opinions. I was always deeply unimpressed by Captain Tom and the grift that he may, or may not, have been party to.

I wouldn't dream of criticising Captain Tom. However, given that the Charity Commission has now been investigating this charity for over a year, I don't think the thread should be deleted should it?

I think you are allowed to dream of it. He is not a member of a sacred caste. We can criticise whoever we want.

He was very old and is now deceased. I wouldn't.

You carry on if you wish.

I save my criticism for his daughter and her husband.

I've worked with a few people quite similar, often families or managers of well respected musicians, sometimes artists who are no longer with us. The problem is many of these fundraiser or go fund me things start off in perfectly good faith and for the right reasons- but when the people involved start seeing the volume of money coming in then they personally get greedy and it's a case of much wants more- especially if they are funding an expensive lifestyle. I actually doubt captain Tom was involved in any kind of grifting at all , his family though certainly were, and their 'nice little earner' shouldn't detract from the money he raised for NHS affiliated charities- im pretty sure it is out there somewhere where the money raised for the charity went to .

The whole captain Tom stuff was nonsense at the time, same as the stupid pot banging.

Captain Tom lived not far from me and my friend posted a thing about everyone sending him birthday cards and how excited she was to be involved. Literally an entire parish hall full of birthday cards - the cost of posting them and the environmental cost just WHY??

Mawkish bollocks.

All people like money. Some people like it more than honesty.

Your first two sentences are spot-on. Don't the government just love the chance to push others into doing THEIR job - and the razzmatazz surrounding the Captain Tom story suited them to a T. Trying to get others involved in what the gang of muppets themselves should be doing - well, it's their speciality. I feel sympathy for those who did donate thinking that it was to a worthy cause, and events like this can make us all feel less trusting of our fellow human beings, whether we donated or not.

If it's proven that there were irregularities then I hope there's something in the karma theory - and that it comes back with a vengeance.

Wait, what Celebs Go Dating?
What The...? Taking the term celeb and stretching it as far as it will go

A big thing is being made of it

Oh, wind your neck in. Another one who completely misinterpreted my post and had to dive right in there without reading my follow-up posts or those from others who also dislike the fetishism of WW2 and how charitable endavours take advantage. I'm hiding this now but I hope you feel better.

You know who should be looking after veterans? The military. The government. But no, let's get the public to do it. That's my problem with HfH.

This ^

At the end of the day, a well off man walked his estate. He raised money for the NHS, but alot of people did, but the media liked him.

Calm down, Hunnybun. Go and read that history book.

Why should I bother to read your follow-up posts before commenting? Who appointed you the thread police?

I'm sure I heard or read somewhere when he was doing his walking that she worked in PR and I thought she's milking this for everything she can get even back then.

As a couple (her and him) they don't cover themselves in glory.
Her husband is a 'property developer' of sorts and his Linkedin profile boasts that he can often get planning permission where others fail. (Like the spa etc he wanted to build in his garden.)

And her employment on Linkedin is linked to all the companies he set up, although at first glance they look like independent companies with no connection.

Because at the time, everyone was frightened, and we needed a hero. It had to be the right kind of hero, though. All those medics dying didn't cut it, nah, especially not the non-Caucasian ones. Remember that first set of photos of clinicians who had died? It was impossible not to see how many of them were from non-Caucasian backgrounds. That wasn't the right optic though, not for our mainstream, mostly male-dominated media.

Cue: a smart, pleasant, personable white chap of the right social background with a military background (not TOO eminent, just the right rank not to scare people) and a VERY pushy daughter. Hannah was/is expert in PR so I can't help feeling a little bit glad that, finally, her ambition appears to be biting her where it hurts, in the bank balance/reputation.

Plus at the time you couldn't possibly say a single word against this lovely man helping to raise national morale. There he was, devotedly doing little laps of the back garden on his walking frame in his smart jacket and military medals while his lovely daughter cheered him on to a national symphony of banging pan lids. He even got name-checked on the Tesco Christmas ad that year.

I thought it notable that the daughter who works in homeopathy (yes, you can call it cod medicine but she should have had SOME training in anatomy and physiology at least) never seemed to want much to do with it all. Maybe she has the measure of her sister and always has had. Or maybe she was just even cleverer than her sister and that story is yet to break.

Alongside the dreadful deaths and long-term conditions (not to mention the impact on mental health and children, especially poor children) that COVID has wrought, the whole way it was managed in England (arguably bar the vaccine roll out) has been an incredible stage-managed course in manipulation of the public.

But at the time, you couldn't say any of this unless you wanted your head bitten off. It's all made me think about the presentation of the Blighty Spirit of World War Two, which my parents/aunts/uncles lived through, in a totally different light.

Is that you, Mrs. Ingram-Moore? 😂