Page 8 | To not understand how Hannah Ingram-Moore can lie so unashamedly?

LizzieSiddal · 12/10/2023 21:24

I know someone who met her in a business capacity just after the walk had raised all the money, they came away saying she was an absolute c**t who was only in it to make money for herself and they wanted nothing to do with them.

Flibbertigibbettytoes · 12/10/2023 21:24

Doesn't the fact he was using a title he wasn't entitled to, suggest to anyone saying this thread is unwholesome, that he was up for a media misrepresentation (for whatever reason)?

SophiaElizabethGrace · 12/10/2023 21:26

Grubby. Very grubby

EnoughNow2023 · 12/10/2023 21:29

Because money breeds money. The Conservative party have been in power and the population are no longer surprised if even aware of situations when people do things in their own interests whilst making out ots for the greater good

Remona · 12/10/2023 21:31

She is an absolute disgrace and she acts as she does in the knowledge that he isn’t here to contradict things.

blanketsmell · 12/10/2023 21:33

Randomuser9876 · 12/10/2023 20:55

I'm watching the interview.

She's overstating her case massively, saying that the Queen asked to meet them!! I doubt that very much.

They really shouldn't have taken him on that holiday but she takes no responsibility, I'd feel TERRIBLE

It's also very manipulative having the kids on, she should be protecting them.

Maybe he wanted to go on the holiday! I really don't think out of all the alleged issues and stuff that her taking her dad who is going to die soon at that age anyway on a holiday if he wants to go is a bad thing. I do feel a bit sorry for her that she's criticised for that tbh

IslandsInTheSunshine · 12/10/2023 21:35

Have you seen her own website where she says she in an accredited life coach?

Yet doesn't appear to have any qualifications at all.

Skodacool · 12/10/2023 21:36

Fulshaw · 12/10/2023 16:45

The Captain Tom thing was a symptom of the time we were living in, everyone was scared, we were in lockdown and he was a comforting figure to latch on to.

I don’t think an old man walking round his garden for charity would gather the slightest bit of attention in normal circumstances.

Yes, they were a dream catch for Breakfast tv, who were struggling for positive stories. She was very media savvy, articulate, able to help Tom in interviews and living in a very photogenic property. You’re right.

pleasehelpwi3 · 12/10/2023 21:40

Kweenbee · 12/10/2023 20:23

Because at the time, everyone was frightened, and we needed a hero. It had to be the right kind of hero, though. All those medics dying didn't cut it, nah, especially not the non-Caucasian ones. Remember that first set of photos of clinicians who had died? It was impossible not to see how many of them were from non-Caucasian backgrounds. That wasn't the right optic though, not for our mainstream, mostly male-dominated media.

Cue: a smart, pleasant, personable white chap of the right social background with a military background (not TOO eminent, just the right rank not to scare people) and a VERY pushy daughter. Hannah was/is expert in PR so I can't help feeling a little bit glad that, finally, her ambition appears to be biting her where it hurts, in the bank balance/reputation.

Plus at the time you couldn't possibly say a single word against this lovely man helping to raise national morale. There he was, devotedly doing little laps of the back garden on his walking frame in his smart jacket and military medals while his lovely daughter cheered him on to a national symphony of banging pan lids. He even got name-checked on the Tesco Christmas ad that year.

I thought it notable that the daughter who works in homeopathy (yes, you can call it cod medicine but she should have had SOME training in anatomy and physiology at least) never seemed to want much to do with it all. Maybe she has the measure of her sister and always has had. Or maybe she was just even cleverer than her sister and that story is yet to break.

Alongside the dreadful deaths and long-term conditions (not to mention the impact on mental health and children, especially poor children) that COVID has wrought, the whole way it was managed in England (arguably bar the vaccine roll out) has been an incredible stage-managed course in manipulation of the public.

But at the time, you couldn't say any of this unless you wanted your head bitten off. It's all made me think about the presentation of the Blighty Spirit of World War Two, which my parents/aunts/uncles lived through, in a totally different light.

Spot on to all of this.
Except the last point- the 'Blighty Spirit' you mention has always been a thing of myth, to a large part.
WW2 was great news for petty criminals- prostitutes and spivs all did a roaring trade during the Blackout. There was less police about too, so looting of bombed out properties and violent crime went up massively.
One bizarre fact is that the rare stamp market- at a time when children and many adults (men) collected stamps- did very well out of the Blitz. In this period archives were stored in basements and contained many high value Victorian stamps on letters and bills. As the bombs dropped, the archives were unearthed and many of the stamps were pilfered and sold onto dealers.
When we do WW2 in Year 6, this is the side of the Blitz that the kids love to hear about (minus the prostitution!), not 'All in it together' myth of folklore.

Ironically, it happened all over again during Covid. Whilst the Tories stole the money and gave it to their chums and donors via corrupt contracts, us plebs were sold a line about an old guy walking around his estate.

Blinky21 · 12/10/2023 21:49

It's excused because she's upper middle class, the Daily Mail's dream. I found the whole thing distasteful at the time, including the trip to Barbados.

StowOnTheWold · 12/10/2023 21:52

So she's admitted keeping over £800k of the money raised for herself. Claims it was her fathers wish, even though it wasn't documented anywhere, that the proceeds from his book stay in the family.

Come on Mumsnetters. Have you not heard about things called Wills?

A Will speaks to us. Has nobody gone online and got a copy yet to see what the will says?

Just saying.

Blinky21 · 12/10/2023 21:52

And the fact he was so wealthy he had the privilege to be able to walk around the large back garden. If he'd been poor he'd have perished of covid in a council care home. Very worst of British jingoism

TitusMoan · 12/10/2023 21:53

adjacenttoquiteafewspheres · 12/10/2023 20:02

The whole captain Tom stuff was nonsense at the time, same as the stupid pot banging.

Captain Tom lived not far from me and my friend posted a thing about everyone sending him birthday cards and how excited she was to be involved. Literally an entire parish hall full of birthday cards - the cost of posting them and the environmental cost just WHY??

Mawkish bollocks.

Yes but that’s what we do in this country these days - mawkish bollocks. Look at all the competition shows with the contestants’ sad back stories. The way people signal grief for dead celebrities with trite rhymes and sayings, the ‘fly high with the angels’ and ‘rainbow bridge’ stuff. Sad for a second, then move on to the next post.

LuluBlakey1 · 12/10/2023 22:07

People are stupid and gullible.

It must be clear to everyone now what this woman and her husband are. So the thing for everyone to do now is not buy the books, not give a penny to the charity and hope the Charity Commission and the police do their job with her. The charity should be taken over and closed down.

If she or he had any integrity they would give every penny, they have taken/accepted, to the charity immediately and the building would be demolished. I would be astonished if she returns a single penny. She is only sorry because she was caught.

She's disgusting but surprise, surprise, she's a Tory. This is what they do- exploit the poor to make themselves richer. They have no integrity or morals. Their hands are always out and their bank accounts are filled by monies they should be ashamed to accept.

Orangetattoo · 12/10/2023 22:32

I remember a few older people who did similar challenges during the pandemic, one poor lady walked up and down the stairs at her home. I always wondered why they didn't get any attention

Greenshake · 12/10/2023 22:35

This interview is absolutely disastrous from a PR point of view. It’s not dissimilar to that of a pizza loving, non-sweating Royal in terms of car crash.

Roussette · 12/10/2023 22:36

Greenshake · 12/10/2023 22:35

This interview is absolutely disastrous from a PR point of view. It’s not dissimilar to that of a pizza loving, non-sweating Royal in terms of car crash.

I thought exactly the same

They came across terribly.

Gingerkittykat · 12/10/2023 22:38

I wonder what Captain Tom's other daughter thinks about this mess?

Apparently one of the things the company which HIM set up has done is trademark Captain Tom's name which means it was them profiting from putting his face on bottles of gin and whatever other tat they produced.

Chickychoccyegg · 12/10/2023 22:40

Anyone remember this lady? I donated to her at the time, she didn't have all the fanfare of Captain Tom, but she was just an ordinary elderly lady who wanted to give herself a challenge, and raise money for the NHS during a difficult time.

To not understand how Hannah Ingram-Moore can lie so unashamedly?

FebruaryOnMyMind · 12/10/2023 22:45

She is a grifter and a thief.

Her father was a lovely man who raised money for the NHS etc and the daughter stole rather a lot of it and looked for ways to gain more and more of it.

user1492757084 · 12/10/2023 22:47

Let the authority do it's job.
I think it is quite reasonable that a guy who made over 30 million for charity by walkiing around his yard (a feat which was realised only because of the extraordinary health challenges of the nation) is allowed to also have his own book pay him and his family royalties from the book.
Surely his whole existance was not for charity and he didn't set out to be a hero. He was normal, achieved a lot, then wrote a book. I would have expected that a percentage of the book sales would go to charity - like usual generous authors arrange.

ssd · 12/10/2023 22:53

I'm just amazed folk actually fell for her shite in the first place

MuckyPlucky · 12/10/2023 22:55

TitusMoan · 12/10/2023 21:53

Yes but that’s what we do in this country these days - mawkish bollocks. Look at all the competition shows with the contestants’ sad back stories. The way people signal grief for dead celebrities with trite rhymes and sayings, the ‘fly high with the angels’ and ‘rainbow bridge’ stuff. Sad for a second, then move on to the next post.

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ssd · 12/10/2023 22:56

FebruaryOnMyMind · 12/10/2023 22:45

She is a grifter and a thief.

Her father was a lovely man who raised money for the NHS etc and the daughter stole rather a lot of it and looked for ways to gain more and more of it.

See, unless you know him personally, how can you say he was a lovely man?? I don't get all the fawning adoration either.

Toddlerteaplease · 12/10/2023 22:59

Thisisme23 · 12/10/2023 16:32

It always puzzled me why the media went so bonkers over this sweet looking old guy walking round his garden to raise money. There were plenty of other fund raising attempts going on at the same time but somehow the media just focussed on this one man (and his already rich family)

I remember looking at the donation page right at the beginning and there was a link on there to some publicity or media company (or thats what it seemed like to me) and that was his daughters company. I thought it seemed dodgy then and never donated.

The fact that shes continued to capitalize on Toms publicity and scoop out money and planning applications along the way ever since is astonishing TBH.
Hopefully there will be a full investigation at some point (I believe Tom's trust is already under the spotlight of the charity commission).

The whole thing stank from the beginning

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Exactly why I didn't donate.