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To think its not okay to great gazans as israel has been

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LethargicButAwesome · 11/10/2023 21:46

Gaza has no food, no electricity and no water. On top of that they are being bombarded constantly
Israel has bombed the only escape route for refugees via Egypt, there is no way out
israel continues the blockage by air, land and sea - no aid can get in, no one can get out.
israel has said they will obliterate Gaza.

this is unprecedented, no matter what happens with governments or wars, you have refugee camps…safe havens…(often difficult) access to water - how are we even debating that this is acceptable? Am i the only person thinking this is the human race at its absolute worst? Its heartbreaking to watch, literally noone is doing anything - we are observing a genocide.

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DownNative · 12/10/2023 14:45

unbelieveable22 · 12/10/2023 14:40

Youu are derailing the thread and not for the first time. At this moment in time I and I am sure many others couldn't care less about the GFA, Belfast Agreement and Ireland. Your posting history indicates it's a hobby of yours.

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It's relevant to the topic, especially since PSF/PIRA and Hamas trained together in Libya under Colonel Gaddafi.

It's also relevant to the issue of how to end the conflict in order to create a political solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. You cam only do that by looking at comparative case studies.

If you don't like it, simply scroll on past. 👍

To think its not okay to great gazans as israel has been
To think its not okay to great gazans as israel has been
To think its not okay to great gazans as israel has been
emilysquest · 12/10/2023 14:48

@Meta123 just to note that it is Gaza, not the whole of Palestine, that is blockaded.

yazoolove · 12/10/2023 14:50

Highandlows · 12/10/2023 14:25

I hope the Western leaders do not take the bait for WW3. This is nothing to do with us and sending aid would be used by Hamas. You may ask yourselves which leaders are supporting and why? People here are so naive is untrue.

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Western leaders need to help deescalate the situation not fuel the fire

Efacsen · 12/10/2023 14:52

Meta123 · 12/10/2023 14:44

Palestine has now ran out of fuel. There is no treatment, no electricity. People will die as a result of this from ordinary fatalities as well as directly from Israel bombing them. I have no words to describe how monstrous the world leaders are.

It's a dire situation indeed

This morning the Palestinian health authorities said they have 5 days of fuel left for the hospital generators but after that the 'hospitals will turn into morgues'

Meta123 · 12/10/2023 14:53

I definitely agree. This is what most people find shocking. It is easier for western leaders to wipe out Palestine. It has been part of the agenda since day one. It's so sad innocent people have to die because of it. Only civilians lose in these wars.

Meta123 · 12/10/2023 14:54

Even 4 Israeli hostages have been murdered due to the Israeli bombings. It is so sad.

Worddance · 12/10/2023 15:17

There is never a moral excuse for a genocide.

yazoolove · 12/10/2023 15:19

For western leaders you can condemn Hamas and their horrific action without writing off the entire population of Palestine. If they are in solidarity with Israeli civilians no problem because most sane people side with civilians but do this without censoring and erasing the lived experiences of millions of people to this date whilst also abandoning them to their fate which is death at the hands of Netanyahu.

Freepo · 12/10/2023 15:23

Efacsen · 12/10/2023 14:52

It's a dire situation indeed

This morning the Palestinian health authorities said they have 5 days of fuel left for the hospital generators but after that the 'hospitals will turn into morgues'

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There are reports that poor Shani Louk is critically ill in a Gaza hospital. Could this make Israel think twice as they’d be condemning her to death too? (if the reports are true but they’re reported by legitimate organisations)

JSMill · 12/10/2023 15:33

Lesina · 11/10/2023 23:16

Egypt needs to open the border and allow Palestinians to leave. Set up camps and house fleeing refugees.
Hamas knew without doubt what Israel’s response would be. Hamas have inflicted this on the Palestinian people.
Everyone should go and visit Auschwitz and gain some insight to Israel’s stance of ‘never again’.
Let Egypt open her border.

My husband is Egyptian. The Egyptians had a big problem with terrorists getting into Sinai through the Gaza border. It took several years to make Sinai safe. They don't want to go backwards.
The fact that Israel has the power to cut Gaza off like that tells you everything about the imbalance of power in the region.

MissEDashwood19 · 12/10/2023 15:55

NorthernSturdyGirl · 12/10/2023 02:02

I am not political and I don't condone what Hamas has done but it doesn't surprise me. The Israelies have been taking their land/resouces for years and the Palestinians have been knocking on all doors asking for help and have been largely ignored. The UK is largely responsible for this. I am horrified at the loss of life on all sides and fear we are witnessing genocide. International governments should pushing for de-escalation and I am horrified at the rhetoric.

What an absurd and insulting conclusion. Why are you blaming the UK for terrorists butchering innocent women and children instead of the evil thugs actually carrying out the attacks?

Whatever previous British governments did or didn't do in relation to Israel/Palestine, the UK is in no way culpable for the horrors being unleashed by Hamas or the IDF's retribution.

BigBillyButterBollocks · 12/10/2023 16:20

Alltheprettyseahorses · 12/10/2023 11:07

Most people shouting 'Freedom for Palestine' and attacking Israel are doing it because of antisemitism. Sanity and integrity doesn't come into it. I have never heard anyone criticise Jordan despite it being the country responsible for by far the most Palestinian deaths, Israel isn't in the top 5. Palestine also has borders with other countries. I won't forget about expensive car showrooms, thanks, or the luxury hotels. I'm not really bothered by how inconvenient their existence is to people who are anti Jewish Israel, that's their problem to deal with.

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I have never read as much whataboutism as I have since the last few days to deny any wrongdoing of Israel when it comes to the Palestinians/Gaza.

Wrongdoing that has been proved, documented and confirmed by serious organisations.

BigBillyButterBollocks · 12/10/2023 16:26

Meta123 · 12/10/2023 11:37

I was confused about this as there has been no confirmation from the IDF that this happened. The media have backtracked on this happening now too. I think this riled up a lot of people and the media should have reported things accurately as there will be a loss of Palestinian babies now. It's so sad and no child should suffer on both sides.

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There sure seems to be a lot of confusion

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html

It doesn't matter one bit when it come to the Israeli victims. Each eldeatb is just as horrible not matter what.

It does matter if we have a Nayirah al-Ṣabaḥ situation to fuel hatred against Gazan.

BigBillyButterBollocks · 12/10/2023 16:31

SomeCatFromJapan · 12/10/2023 11:44

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67065205

@Cuddlecouch The above article specifically references the decapitation (not that failing to decapitate a baby you've just murdered is any better though) so be careful with what you call "fake news".

That was yesterday.

This was today

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html

There seems to be a bit of a yes/no/yes/no situation with a lot of vagueness. I suppose that is a good way to keep people thinking it happened without being accused of spreading false information later

BigBillyButterBollocks · 12/10/2023 17:09

SomeCatFromJapan · 12/10/2023 17:00

Until the next change of mind?

It's been confirmed and retracted about 6 times so far (once confirmed by Biden then denied by the White House). It will be confirmed when IDF confirms it .

BigBillyButterBollocks · 12/10/2023 17:59

WaveyGodshawk · 12/10/2023 17:36

BBC report from this morning quoting IDF source

Well, they are hardly gonna say "yes we knew but we let it happen so we could wipe out Gaza, finally", are they?

IDF can't deny security failure when a whole bunch of terrorist came in and killed over 1000 people...

SomeCatFromJapan · 12/10/2023 18:01

What is this obsession with denying the facts of the massacres? They killed whole families including babies and children, I think persistently miminising that is really poor form and just comes across as trying to whitewash Hamas atrocities.

WaveyGodshawk · 12/10/2023 18:05

BigBillyButterBollocks · 12/10/2023 17:59

Well, they are hardly gonna say "yes we knew but we let it happen so we could wipe out Gaza, finally", are they?

IDF can't deny security failure when a whole bunch of terrorist came in and killed over 1000 people...

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If you clicked on the link you will see that it brings you to a statement from the IDF confirming what happened to the bodies.

But don't let get in the way of blaming them for the acts of utter barbarity carried out by the Hamas terrorists.

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BigBillyButterBollocks · 12/10/2023 18:07

WaveyGodshawk · 12/10/2023 18:05

If you clicked on the link you will see that it brings you to a statement from the IDF confirming what happened to the bodies.

But don't let get in the way of blaming them for the acts of utter barbarity carried out by the Hamas terrorists.

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Did I? I am pretty sure I only blamed Hamas. I also said that it did not matter if the story was false, each death is as inexcusable and 100% Hamas fault. I blame Israel for the treatment of Palestinians and Gazans though, for sure.

But don't let that stop you from callk g me a Hamas defender ;)

DoItAgainPlz · 12/10/2023 18:08

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theotherfossilsister · 12/10/2023 18:12

PurpleChrayne · 11/10/2023 23:09

Maybe the Hamas government should have used all its aid (the most in the world) to invest in infrastructure instead of weapons.

Hi, I'm not arguing but do you have a source for the most aid in the world? Is that per capita or in whole

I'm just interested, because although I'm the grandchild of Polish Jews I know very little about the history. I kind of know sketchily but that's all.

Whole situation is heartbreaking. I'm furious at Hama's, and horrified at the response.

BigBillyButterBollocks · 12/10/2023 18:13

SomeCatFromJapan · 12/10/2023 18:01

What is this obsession with denying the facts of the massacres? They killed whole families including babies and children, I think persistently miminising that is really poor form and just comes across as trying to whitewash Hamas atrocities.

It has been explained several times. It's not to say it is worst or less worst. Killing a baby is the worst and most disgusting thing ever. Period.

It's out of concern that it is being used to desensitise people to Gazans and whatever is happening to them (with people being allowed to call for their genocide without anyone batting an eyelid now, it is a genuine concern).

It's not like it has ever been done before with babies in incubators or anything.

WaveyGodshawk · 12/10/2023 18:20

BigBillyButterBollocks · 12/10/2023 18:07

Did I? I am pretty sure I only blamed Hamas. I also said that it did not matter if the story was false, each death is as inexcusable and 100% Hamas fault. I blame Israel for the treatment of Palestinians and Gazans though, for sure.

But don't let that stop you from callk g me a Hamas defender ;)

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Well they're hardly gonna say "yes we knew but we let it happen so we can wipe out Gaza, finally", are they?

What did you mean by that, if not to imply that the Israeli Security services knew in advance about the attack? And therefore are responsible for allowing it to happen?

And I didn't call you a Hamas defender.