To think its not okay to great gazans as israel has been

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Gaza has no food, no electricity and no water. On top of that they are being bombarded constantly
Israel has bombed the only escape route for refugees via Egypt, there is no way out
israel continues the blockage by air, land and sea - no aid can get in, no one can get out.
israel has said they will obliterate Gaza.

this is unprecedented, no matter what happens with governments or wars, you have refugee camps…safe havens…(often difficult) access to water - how are we even debating that this is acceptable? Am i the only person thinking this is the human race at its absolute worst? Its heartbreaking to watch, literally noone is doing anything - we are observing a genocide.

How is it linked though? Hamas can have beheaded babies and Netanyahu can have known an attack was gonna happen?

You linked it not me

I suspect that conspiracy theories saying Israel knew in advance will be all over Telegram and its ilk by now.

It beggars belief that world leaders are letting the siege on Gaza continue. I genuinely don't know a single person IRL who agrees with it.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/police-chiefs-asked-to-protect-communities-from-provocations/letter-to-chief-constables-in-england-and-wales-following-the-israel-hamas-conflict-accessible

I would encourage police to consider whether chants such as “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” should be understood as an expression of a violent desire to see Israel erased from the world, and whether its use in certain contexts may amount to a racially aggravated section 5 public order offence.

This is the government saying this?! I have attended plenty of rallies in support of Palestinian freedom (years ago now), and have heard this chant at a few of them. No support of Hamas. I'm quite concerned by this, it also seems they can decide a Palestinian flag is against the law, effectively.

If Hamas release the Israeli hostages the siege on Gaza will ease.
Sadly, Hamas will not and the innocent people in Gaza will suffer.
This is a consequence that Hamas has caused.

We can of course have legitimate conversations about the treatment of people in Gaza at the hands of the Israeli government but this needs to done alongside a legitimate conversation about how Hamas choose to spend their funding on weapons or to help improve the plight of Gazans.

IDF have committed atrocious acts and am sure we can if we do our own research find examples of them abusing their power etc. Hamas with their actions on Saturday however have taken things to a whole new level. Targeting civilians cannot ever be okay.

First Hamas needs to release the hostages.
Then Israel needs to stop the blockade in Gaza.
This sadly won’t happen, as a result of Hamas’ actions slowly Antisemitism will rise further as the number of innocent people killed in Gaza will rise and Hamas will grow stronger as hate towards Israeli’s will increase amongst the young desperate Gazan population.

The UN need to act and find a solution. Enough.

No it wouldn't, if they release the hostages then they will know that there are no Jewish people there and then they can kill everyone shoot them up style. Then blame the child murders on collateral damage.

@DomPom47 If governments had had legitimate conversations about the treatment of the Palestinian people/ the people of Gaza and taken action prior to this we might not be in this situation. Israel was supposed to have handed back control of Gaza in 2003, but that never happened, evidenced now by how easy it has been to cut them off and create this siege. The UN has on multiple occasions voiced its opposition to Israel’s continued control over Gaza and Israel has done nothing. The UN will make no ground here, Israel is lawless and, in keeping with the way it’s always been treated, currently receiving support from foreign governments whilst committing war crimes.

I agree with you, been brutally honest the UN have been utterly shite. Totally useless.
But Hamas’ terrorist actions do not help the Palestinian cause.
Hamas needs to be pushed out of Gaza.
People can then focus on economic boycotts or continuous UN sanctions. Again, this will not cause any changes for Palestinians in the short term but Hamas’ actions have had zero positive impact. It has made things far worse.
Releasing the hostages is the best course of action for the people of Palestine. With the world watching and documenting IDF actions I think the number of deaths will be far lower than of Hamas continues with their actions.

I feel sick to my stomach. Seeing EU and US politician not even trying to de-escalate? It feels like they want a war.

Not a word or a thought for the victims in Gaza or the humanitarian disaster there? Hearing Blinken confirm that they are 100% behind cutting food and water for civilians? It does feel like a green light to do whatever Netanyahu wants to Gazans.

Politicians shouting that we either want Israel to defend itself or we support beheading babies. Hum... Neither, really? I want de-escalation, unconditional condemnation of Hamas, tribunals, help with securing the border for a while if needed and food/water/electricity for Gazans?

What is happening to the world? What is happening to humanity? I feel like I should be in the street demanding humanitarian help being allowed to Gazans, or at least politicians who speak up against the full siege... That's the bare minimum, no? I feel complicit to a coming genocide tbh, and I am disgusted with myself.

I think I need a break because reading the some people online coldly saying that Gazans had it coming...The hatred (for either Palestinians, Gazans, Israelis or Jews)... It makes me want to throw up.

Something ugly is coming.

Israels terrorist actions do not help the Jews either...the Liberal, peace loving Jews should rise up and denounce the terror state of Israel, just like the Gazans are expected to according to you

You think non-Israeli Jews are responsible for the actions of a foreign government?

Well UK Muslims are expected to denounce Hamas constantly, they can't back Palestine without being called antisemitic.

Its the Jews 'returning' to Israel from abroad that has caused the illegal evictions of Palestinians from their homes and the illegal settlements as Israel are running out of land.

@DomPom47 Even if Hamas de-escalates it seems very likely Israel will want to exact revenge and no one will stop them.

Israel has never been held to account or expected to adhere to the same standards as others.

I don’t want to be fatalistic but I can’t see any way this will end well.

And that makes it play to hold all Jews responsible does it?

That's absolutely not true! There's no requirement for people who move to Israel to live in the Gaza or the West Bank. You make it sound like the Israeli government is forcing Jewish people to move to those areas. That simply doesn't happen.

To bring some balance to this, Gaza is riddled with terrorists who have brutally attacked, murdered and abducted Israeli citizens across the border. There is no way to distinguish between a neutral person in Gaza and a terrorist. Gaza is full of tunnels and also full of serious weapons and these are mixed into civilian areas. Israel has to protect itself and rescue any of its abducted citizens who haven’t been murdered. I don’t know how that is possible without a military incursion into Gaza. It’s easy to wring our hands but Israel does not have that luxury.

@thinkfast They may not be forced to live there but I don’t think it’s controversial to say that the Israeli government is evicting Palestinians from their homes to make way for illegal settlements. This would not be necessary if Jewish people didn’t have an unrestricted right to emigrate to Israel and become Israeli citizens.

Countries have immigration controls for a reason. Land and resources are finite unless you go around stealing other peoples.

@nc14 Israel is entitled to have whatever immigration criteria they wish though, just like every other country.

To bring real balance, Israel has a bunch of extremists (there is no way to distinguish between a neutral person in Israel. and a terrorist) who have been attacking Palestinian towns, on Palestinian territory, killing Palestinians, burning their children alive on several occasions, stealing their houses. It got so bad an ISRAELI General called it a Pogrom... Let that sink in.

And yet, Israel has failed to eradicate the extremist menace like Gazans have failed to eradicate the Hamas menace?

Do Palestinians have a right to invade (and starve/deprive of water if they could) Israel and kill anyone they need to get rid of them while Blinken stands behind and threaten anyone trying to stop it or just Israel?

(Sorry, copied from another threadI just posted in. But I'm done posting for a while because I need a fucking break from people not giving a fuck about Palestinians, episode 987)

Peace everyone. Thought for the people of Gaza who must be in hell on earth as we speak, some retrieving their. dead child from rubbles, some not sure if they will be able to feed them tomorrow. And strength for everyone who has a loved in Gaza, Palestine or Israel.Jewish, Christian, Muslim or other. The world sucks)

@nc14 I think you're a bit confused. Israeli settlement of the West Bank has been happening for decades and has a complex political and religious history. It's nothing to do with running out of space in Israel. Have you ever been there? It's like anywhere else. Popular / trendy areas in cities can be densely populated and then there's more space in the suburbs and plenty of space i the country side

https://www.instagram.com/p/CySNsvPOPiW/?igshid=MmU2YjMzNjRlOQ==

I’m not confused. Israel’s occupation of the West Bank is illegal regardless of what rights they feel they may have to it.

When the British had administrative control over Palestine they tried to implement controls on Jewish immigration and limit the amount of land they could buy. The Jews were so enraged they bombed the British.

This was shortly before WWII. After WWII sympathy was obviously high and Israel was given autonomy, and now we have this mess. No one has a divine right to something that isn’t theirs.

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I'm yet to come across a single prominent Israeli figure who has denounced the actions of their government...what does that tell you about them?