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To think its not okay to great gazans as israel has been

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LethargicButAwesome · 11/10/2023 21:46

Gaza has no food, no electricity and no water. On top of that they are being bombarded constantly
Israel has bombed the only escape route for refugees via Egypt, there is no way out
israel continues the blockage by air, land and sea - no aid can get in, no one can get out.
israel has said they will obliterate Gaza.

this is unprecedented, no matter what happens with governments or wars, you have refugee camps…safe havens…(often difficult) access to water - how are we even debating that this is acceptable? Am i the only person thinking this is the human race at its absolute worst? Its heartbreaking to watch, literally noone is doing anything - we are observing a genocide.

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asterel · 06/11/2023 12:21

I don’t know what to say, @Coughingdodger, have you not seen any of this? It’s everywhere.

Put it this way: if I’m outraged, as I am, by the way, by Iranian or Taliban policy of beating women who aren’t wearing hijab to death, is it OK for me to go out defacing some Islamic buildings and chanting Islamophobic songs? Just because I’m angry? Would you think this acceptable against any other minority?

Legitimate protest does not include racism, or religious or racial hatred. And there is plenty of whipped-up furious examples on show in these marches, and plenty of statements all over social media attempting to justify or excuse the terrorist attacks in plainly antisemitic terms. I don’t remember any other anti-war marches involving anything like this level of open racial and religious hatred in plain sight.

LethargicButAwesome · 06/11/2023 12:26

asterel · 06/11/2023 12:21

I don’t know what to say, @Coughingdodger, have you not seen any of this? It’s everywhere.

Put it this way: if I’m outraged, as I am, by the way, by Iranian or Taliban policy of beating women who aren’t wearing hijab to death, is it OK for me to go out defacing some Islamic buildings and chanting Islamophobic songs? Just because I’m angry? Would you think this acceptable against any other minority?

Legitimate protest does not include racism, or religious or racial hatred. And there is plenty of whipped-up furious examples on show in these marches, and plenty of statements all over social media attempting to justify or excuse the terrorist attacks in plainly antisemitic terms. I don’t remember any other anti-war marches involving anything like this level of open racial and religious hatred in plain sight.

racism is wrong, it is not okay.

but i have never seen such violation of human rights, killing, apartheid, breaking if international law, illegal occupation SUPPORTED by our government. That's why the protesters are so angry - most are not against jews and infact many are jews!

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Coughingdodger · 06/11/2023 12:28

asterel · 06/11/2023 12:21

I don’t know what to say, @Coughingdodger, have you not seen any of this? It’s everywhere.

Put it this way: if I’m outraged, as I am, by the way, by Iranian or Taliban policy of beating women who aren’t wearing hijab to death, is it OK for me to go out defacing some Islamic buildings and chanting Islamophobic songs? Just because I’m angry? Would you think this acceptable against any other minority?

Legitimate protest does not include racism, or religious or racial hatred. And there is plenty of whipped-up furious examples on show in these marches, and plenty of statements all over social media attempting to justify or excuse the terrorist attacks in plainly antisemitic terms. I don’t remember any other anti-war marches involving anything like this level of open racial and religious hatred in plain sight.

I think over 100,000 people marched last Saturday across Westminster Bridge. Most of them did so without causing any violence or damage. Their right to make their views clear about mass murder in Gaza shouldn’t be removed because of the actions of a few.

Islamophobia by the way is just as bad as anti semitism.

Coughingdodger · 06/11/2023 12:29

And as the OP has just pointed out, many of the marchers are Jews.

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 06/11/2023 12:38

asterel · 06/11/2023 12:07

Oh, yeah? Is that why they are tearing down hostage pictures of babies, defacing a Holocaust memorial library, and singing antisemitic chants? Is that about U.K. foreign policy, then?

The reason for the marches is peoples support for The Palestinian people.
Their right to their homes
Their right to a free life from constant harassment.
Their right to stop being massacred.

Gaslighting by calling it anti semitism is just a way to make it sound abhorrent.
People are against the Israeli bombing. The fact that the main religion in Israel is Jewish , to the protesters, is irrelevant.
There are always a few who take advantage of a situation, this happens on both sides……..we all know that.

Please stop tarring everyone with the same brush

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 06/11/2023 12:42

asterel · 06/11/2023 12:21

I don’t know what to say, @Coughingdodger, have you not seen any of this? It’s everywhere.

Put it this way: if I’m outraged, as I am, by the way, by Iranian or Taliban policy of beating women who aren’t wearing hijab to death, is it OK for me to go out defacing some Islamic buildings and chanting Islamophobic songs? Just because I’m angry? Would you think this acceptable against any other minority?

Legitimate protest does not include racism, or religious or racial hatred. And there is plenty of whipped-up furious examples on show in these marches, and plenty of statements all over social media attempting to justify or excuse the terrorist attacks in plainly antisemitic terms. I don’t remember any other anti-war marches involving anything like this level of open racial and religious hatred in plain sight.

As an aside.
Did you notice everyone celebrating the 5th November.
You do know what that’s all about.
Hate against everyone creed, colour is abhorrent.

Oliotya · 06/11/2023 12:51

asterel · 06/11/2023 11:49

Yes, obviously - let’s not pretend that it is anything other than that antisemitism has been historically a very deep-rooted, normalised and acceptable form of hatred for millennia. Because I see no sign of massive marches for other forms of oppression - such as hundreds of thousands more of Muslim refugees killed or dispersed in other countries, which massively dwarf deaths in Palestine — such as Yemen, China, or, as right now, in Pakistan of Afghan refugees.

Where are the angry marches when it comes to displaced, murdered and oppressed peoples when Jews aren’t involved? If they are simply angry because of the loss of life and displacement from land, why aren’t they angry when Muslim countries actively do that and more to other Muslim peoples and tribes?

The situation in Gaza is awful. But the angry marches are whipped up by an orgiastic fury of antisemitism that goes well beyond humanitarian concerns - as the defacing of Jewish businesses shows, and the antisemitic rants posted all over Twitter/X, repeating age-old slurs against the Jews. You can hardly open X at the moment without seeing scores of posts saying things like “Jews are lying scum”, “Hitler didn’t go far enough”, and much worse, and so on and so on - these go far, far beyond the bounds of anything that is acceptable or justified by “anger”.

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Is Rishi Sunak cheering on the Chinese government, hoping they "win" against the Uygher Muslims? That's the difference.
There have been, and occasionally still are protests and petitions against the war in yemen and Afghanistan. Give it 6 months, nobody will give a shit about this either.

Coughingdodger · 06/11/2023 13:01

The Guy Fawkes bitterness dates all the way back to Henry VIII and his daughters. That was certainly a bloody time. It would have been good if there had been an outsider to mediate. You’d think responsible international countries would have learned to mediate by now….instead of simply saying they hoped their side would “win”.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 06/11/2023 13:19

Coughingdodger · 06/11/2023 11:58

No. The reason for the pro Palestinian marches in the UK is because many UK politicians are supporting Israel’s disproportionate response in Gaza.

Rubbish. Accoring to many Israel have been abusing Palestinians for decades and the UK government has supported them throughout yet, there's barely been a peep from the masses about it.

There's always an undercurrent of antisemitism simmering away underneath the surface of society. Certain sections of are constantly looking for an excuse to bring it to the boil and this was too good an opportunity for them to resist.

I mean the the dust hadn't even settled on one of the worst terror attacks in living memory before the ghouls were out blaming Israel and insinuating they deserved it. I can't count how many times I've heard the phrase "the October 7th attacks were awful but...." over the past month now.

Tell me, if the anger is specifically directed at Israels treatment of Palestinians or the UK governments support of Israel, why are Jewish people and Jewish buildings being attacked across the country / world?

Coughingdodger · 06/11/2023 13:23

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 06/11/2023 13:19

Rubbish. Accoring to many Israel have been abusing Palestinians for decades and the UK government has supported them throughout yet, there's barely been a peep from the masses about it.

There's always an undercurrent of antisemitism simmering away underneath the surface of society. Certain sections of are constantly looking for an excuse to bring it to the boil and this was too good an opportunity for them to resist.

I mean the the dust hadn't even settled on one of the worst terror attacks in living memory before the ghouls were out blaming Israel and insinuating they deserved it. I can't count how many times I've heard the phrase "the October 7th attacks were awful but...." over the past month now.

Tell me, if the anger is specifically directed at Israels treatment of Palestinians or the UK governments support of Israel, why are Jewish people and Jewish buildings being attacked across the country / world?

There was barely a peep from the masses about it

Well there are lots of peeps from the masses now. Better late than never.

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 06/11/2023 13:26

@Thebestwaytoscareatory
Youneed to look beyond and see how others are treated.
None of this is acceptable

To think its not okay to great gazans as israel has been
AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 06/11/2023 13:27

@Thebestwaytoscareatory
and there’s more

To think its not okay to great gazans as israel has been
AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 06/11/2023 13:31

@Thebestwaytoscareatory
And more
Etc etc etc

To think its not okay to great gazans as israel has been
AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 06/11/2023 13:33

You see.
We can all site centuries if examples.
Nothing is unique

NorthernSturdyGirl · 09/11/2023 11:17

MissEDashwood19 · 12/10/2023 15:55

What an absurd and insulting conclusion. Why are you blaming the UK for terrorists butchering innocent women and children instead of the evil thugs actually carrying out the attacks?

Whatever previous British governments did or didn't do in relation to Israel/Palestine, the UK is in no way culpable for the horrors being unleashed by Hamas or the IDF's retribution.

Sorry but this country helped hand Palestinian land to the Zionists, boundaries were set and the Zionists keep encroaching on more land and UN kept firing warning shots and no-one did anything. At some point it was going to turn nasty. Desperate people take desperate and irrational measures when cornered and abandoned by those that had the power to intercede.

No-one condones the butchering of innocent civilians....but lets be fair, the repercussions thus far inflicted on the civilian Palestinian population is tantamount to Genocide...there I said it!

Two wrongs do not make a right and I stand back in abject horror at the massacre of innocent civilians on both sides, I hang my head in shame at the inaction and worry for the well being of humanity. No idea how to solve it, but I am horrified in a way I have never been before and feel sick to my stomach about the butchery I see. I could genuinely cry over this and I have no idea what to do.....

millymollymoomoo · 09/11/2023 12:05

@LethargicButAwesome your posts on here along with others show little understanding of the region, the history, the issues or in fact any element of truth

same for those pro Palestinian protests

shocking really
people need to read up ( using books and historical evidence source not social media or the internet!!)

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 09/11/2023 16:53

millymollymoomoo · 09/11/2023 12:05

@LethargicButAwesome your posts on here along with others show little understanding of the region, the history, the issues or in fact any element of truth

same for those pro Palestinian protests

shocking really
people need to read up ( using books and historical evidence source not social media or the internet!!)

The internet is literally a way to access the vast majority of the world’s knowledge. Of course you need to know how to filter but your comment is literally nonsense.

ChickenNugget6 · 09/11/2023 22:07

asterel · 06/11/2023 12:21

I don’t know what to say, @Coughingdodger, have you not seen any of this? It’s everywhere.

Put it this way: if I’m outraged, as I am, by the way, by Iranian or Taliban policy of beating women who aren’t wearing hijab to death, is it OK for me to go out defacing some Islamic buildings and chanting Islamophobic songs? Just because I’m angry? Would you think this acceptable against any other minority?

Legitimate protest does not include racism, or religious or racial hatred. And there is plenty of whipped-up furious examples on show in these marches, and plenty of statements all over social media attempting to justify or excuse the terrorist attacks in plainly antisemitic terms. I don’t remember any other anti-war marches involving anything like this level of open racial and religious hatred in plain sight.

Umm .. I don't think anyone thinks that behaviour is okay. But if you started protesting for the Afghani women I wouldn't call you islamaphobic lol.

ChickenNugget6 · 09/11/2023 22:08

But somehow it's antisemitic to protest against a right wing Israeli government? ... Nothing to do with Judaism it's literally people against netanyahu committing war crimes.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 10/11/2023 13:51

Yes, interesting, that. It's a deliberate and dishonest skewing of meanings and I'm noticing it everywhere.

SammyScrounge · 05/12/2023 10:36

LethargicButAwesome · 11/10/2023 22:05

Thanks @ketchup07070 good idea to petition to MP.

@Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot absolutely this. If anything the statements from Biden and Sunak are encouraging of the violence, no attempt at deescaltion at all. I saw a quote from the ex Philippine leader saying if it was him he would make Gaza a cementry. This feels like the sentiment from all leaders.

i just can’t believe there is a ‘debate’ about it whether its acceptable or not.

Hamas Don t operate by debating.

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