To think its not okay to great gazans as israel has been

[LethargicButAwesome]

Gaza has no food, no electricity and no water. On top of that they are being bombarded constantly
Israel has bombed the only escape route for refugees via Egypt, there is no way out
israel continues the blockage by air, land and sea - no aid can get in, no one can get out.
israel has said they will obliterate Gaza.

this is unprecedented, no matter what happens with governments or wars, you have refugee camps…safe havens…(often difficult) access to water - how are we even debating that this is acceptable? Am i the only person thinking this is the human race at its absolute worst? Its heartbreaking to watch, literally noone is doing anything - we are observing a genocide.

No excuses, no history lessons, no “debates” saying that it doesn’t matter if Gazan children are killed (or worse, hinting that they should be killed).

Just stop slaughtering them today. There is no part of it that’s ok.

Not even bothering to go there. Pointless.

I completely agree, but the poster you seem to be aiming at really hasn't said otherwise.

It has all been abhorrent. All these innocent people dead. It makes me sick. The callous and calculating dropping of bombs on civilians by Israel. The sickening ‘joy’ of Hamas as they massacred innocents. How can these people live with themselves.

Any child or adult who witnessed this and survived will be traumatised for life. I am sure many journalists will be too. It’s beyond human endurance.

One noticeable contrast is that nobody in ‘power’ cares about ordinary Palestinians. Not Hamas. Not the Israeli government. Not most Western governments. Not most Arab governments. Their cause is not being supported by any government with the means to make a difference. Who is ‘standing by Palestine’?

It seems it’s the ordinary people in the world who have most capacity for compassion for victims on both sides.

Its the British political intervention post WW2, that gave Palestinian land to the Jews, that started the marginalisation of the Palestinians... This country helped create the conflict and its horrific outcomes, we are culpable.

@LethargicButAwesome
I do hope you've taken what you need from this thread and not been bothered by the negative comments, some of them well meaning, but definitely some are from mean people who get a kick out of dragging others down, anonymously of course.

Good luck with everything. You're wise not to respond to the toxicity, but wanted to wish you well anyway.

Oops, wrong thread. No idea how I did that. Apologies.

Think about it, these children have been starved, thirsty, dirty, no real medical care from being wounded and now are going to be bombed. The world won't even see the atrocities that will come of this because the IDF have cut all forms of communication from the Gazan.

It sickens me and I feel horrible. How can we witness this. People are so corrupt.

Yes.
My FIL was there in the British Navy.
He disagreed with it and suddenly they put him on a ship and invalided him out of the Navy.
He hadn’t been invalided, they just didn’t want someone who disagreed to see what was happening.
His stories of what was happening were horrific

‘No excuses, no history lessons, no “debates” saying that it doesn’t matter if Gazan children are killed (or worse, hinting that they should be killed). ‘

exactly. I walked past a protest yesterday with Israeli supporters screaming about the kidnapped Israeli kids, how monsters have taken them and it’s the lowest of the low etc etc but they don’t seem to care about 4,000 dead Palestinian children and don’t seem to realise that the world’s sympathy is waning for their cause as they justify the deaths of more and more Gazan children because the rest of us see the lives of those children as equal to one another.
An Israeli child’s life is NOT worth more than a Palestinian one.

@Ahfeckingfeckit so you walked past a demonstration of people 'screaming' about being kept hostage. They didn't seem to care. Where was that?

I didn't see many people amongst the 30,000 protesting for peace mentioning the hostages. Which to be fair is one of the reasons why they are at war.

They generally don't do they? Either side? Take a balanced view and consider all sides.

All the demonstrations and social media I’ve seen have been the exact opposite - screaming and argy bargy on the pro- Palestine marches; quiet and solemn vigils on the Jewish ones. Lots of posters on social media making outright antisemitic posts about Jews and the Jewish hostages; but I’ve not seen a single one suggesting Gazan children are worth less than Jewish ones - rather, the complete reverse.

The people tearing down the hostage posters and the ones on social media saying it’s all lies - what are they doing? Are they suggesting Israeli children’s lives are worth something? Doesn’t look like it to me. I’ve been pretty horrified to see lots and lots of film of people gleefully pulling those posters down, gleefully shouting antisemitic slogans - it’s horrifying. Have not seen anything like that from Jewish posters. Most people in general tend to understand that terrorism is unacceptable and war is too. But the people on the pro-Palestine marches at the moment seem to be delighting in causing mob disruption - provoking the police, indulging in outright hate statements, graffitiing Jewish businesses and even a Holocaust memorial library!

YADNBU

100%

Watching the slaughter of thousands of innocent men, women and children is heartbreaking.

I hate all MPs condemning this. Cruel heartless bastards.

My thoughts exactly.

They also seem to forget the thousands of kidnapped children or imprisoned children of Palestine. It’s almost like no one cares that Palestinian children have been kidnapped by the idf for years. Their lives don’t matter.
Free the hostages is a chant that needs to be applied to both sides.

It’s not just the responsibility of the pro Palestinian demonstrators to talk about the atrocities that have happened on both sides.
I’ve seen pro Israel protesters shout about the murdered innocent Israeli children and hostages, but not one of them talked about the murders of the Palestinian children.
pro Palestine or pro Israel. Both sides have only talked about their own side. None have spoken up for the dead civilians on both sides.

Being brutally honest, other people's lives really don't matter all that much to other people. Just look how quickly the masses moved on from their concern about the lives of Ukrainians or Afgans. The same will happen with this conflict too.

I said the below back in Feb 2022 after Russia invaded Ukraine...

"There's a bout of hysteria, outrage, name calling, and accusations of being a bot or troll that lasts about a month then dwindles to a murmur as the pretense of caring/being outraged fades, followed by a deafening silence as more important matters like what's on netflix or who's a bigger arsehole resume their positions at centre stage. Then a few months later something new will pop up to stir the hysteria again and the cycle repeats."

I expect there will be about 3 more weeks of Palestine/Israel concern at a maximum then the build up to christmas will take over.

‘All the demonstrations and social media I’ve seen have been the exact opposite - screaming and argy bargy on the pro- Palestine marches;’

well, I’ve seen actually rallies in London ( not attending just passing through) and there’s been no screaming that I’ve seen.

But what’s that got to do with Israel killing 4K + children? Do they deserve it more because you’ve seen videos of rallies that have got heated?

I’ve seen plenty of ‘heated’ pro Israeli ones on SM, BTW, and one in our town in person that was kicking off

So perhaps this has more to do with your watching algorithm and bias in choosing which videos and feeds to watch? than one side behaving ‘better’ than the other?

Israel has a free license it seems endorsed by the US, Canada, UK & Europe to be above international law.

They bombed ambulances and and hospitals under the guise of there being terrorists, for genocide to be considered there needs to be intent, countless politicians have talked of turning gaza to dust, one has even said drop a nuclear bomb on it - there is clearly intent and yet everyone turns a blind eye, it’s mad, absolutely crazy. SaveTheChildren have said more children have been killed in 4 weeks than all the combined global crises in 4 years.

There has been plenty of footage on all channels of the pro-Palestine marches including climbing on monuments, tearing down posters, waving antisemitic placards, harassing passers-by, spray-painting graffiti on Jewish businesses, and throwing fireworks at the police.

Dispersal orders were issued. None for any of the vigils for the Israeli hostages that I know of. Come now - don’t be silly and disingenuous — we can see these things for ourselves, so all this “your algorithm” nonsense is just juvenile. Are you saying that the marches haven’t been tipping into what is clearly antisemitic hate crime? Or is there some other explanation for defacing a Holocaust memorial library?

There’s no excuse for violence or damaging property.
But let’s not be disingenuous about the reason why a pro-Palestinian march in the UK might be more angry and heated than a Jewish one. Let’s not pretend not to understand why that might be.

Yes, obviously - let’s not pretend that it is anything other than that antisemitism has been historically a very deep-rooted, normalised and acceptable form of hatred for millennia. Because I see no sign of massive marches for other forms of oppression - such as hundreds of thousands more of Muslim refugees killed or dispersed in other countries, which massively dwarf deaths in Palestine — such as Yemen, China, or, as right now, in Pakistan of Afghan refugees.

Where are the angry marches when it comes to displaced, murdered and oppressed peoples when Jews aren’t involved? If they are simply angry because of the loss of life and displacement from land, why aren’t they angry when Muslim countries actively do that and more to other Muslim peoples and tribes?

The situation in Gaza is awful. But the angry marches are whipped up by an orgiastic fury of antisemitism that goes well beyond humanitarian concerns - as the defacing of Jewish businesses shows, and the antisemitic rants posted all over Twitter/X, repeating age-old slurs against the Jews. You can hardly open X at the moment without seeing scores of posts saying things like “Jews are lying scum”, “Hitler didn’t go far enough”, and much worse, and so on and so on - these go far, far beyond the bounds of anything that is acceptable or justified by “anger”.

No. The reason for the pro Palestinian marches in the UK is because many UK politicians are supporting Israel’s disproportionate response in Gaza.

Oh, yeah? Is that why they are tearing down hostage pictures of babies, defacing a Holocaust memorial library, and singing antisemitic chants? Is that about U.K. foreign policy, then?

I don’t know why a few are doing that.
Most are not.
In spite of the IDF’s utterly barbaric behaviour in Gaza.