To think its not okay to great gazans as israel has been

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Gaza has no food, no electricity and no water. On top of that they are being bombarded constantly
Israel has bombed the only escape route for refugees via Egypt, there is no way out
israel continues the blockage by air, land and sea - no aid can get in, no one can get out.
israel has said they will obliterate Gaza.

this is unprecedented, no matter what happens with governments or wars, you have refugee camps…safe havens…(often difficult) access to water - how are we even debating that this is acceptable? Am i the only person thinking this is the human race at its absolute worst? Its heartbreaking to watch, literally noone is doing anything - we are observing a genocide.

Why are you trying to change the subject?

You said: 'I'm not sure why they are killing children in the west bank where there is no Hamas???

If you were genuinely unaware, after all your time on these threads, that Hamas are in the West Bank, then you have no business participating except to ask polite questions. You can apologize for spreading misinformation.

I think your last sentence nails it.

The murders of these children has nothing to do with Hamas. But people will still somehow blame Hamas to excuse the killing of children.

https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_forces_kill_six_palestinian_children_in_the_occupied_west_bank

Oh so you did know Hamas was in the West Bank but you claimed they weren't? Or you didn't know but you claimed they weren't anyway? I'm not sure because you still haven't answered the question.

Hamas aren't based there and these children's deaths have nothing to do with Hamas. So why are they happening... ?

I don't see reports of any Hamas fighters being killed in the attacks that killed the children, so far. There don't seem to be a lot of Hamas deaths in relation to the amount of Palestinian civilians who have been killed.

You said: 'I'm not sure why they are killing children in the west bank where there is no Hamas???

Now you're saying merely that Hamas 'aren't based there'.

Interesting.

And this focus on Hamas allegedly not being in the West Bank is also fascinating. You're well aware of course, as I said above, that there are other terrorist groups in the West Bank, as well as terrorists unaffiliated to any particular group.

Are you still trying to find a way to blame Hamas for killing of children in the West Bank. These deaths have NOTHING to do with Hamas. The children were targeted and were shot dead. Why are you trying to somehow blame Hamas and to divert the point of the post?

Let me re-phrase then: Why were these children killed when they have nothing to do with Hamas?

You don't want to answer the question I asked about the misinformation you were spreading and you don't intend to apologize for it. That's fine, I understand.

Okay, I apologise for not being clear and stating "when Hamas are not based there."

Now can you at least pretend you are not okay with children being murdered? ... What on earth :/

That's even stranger. So if Hamas are operating in the West Bank, engaging in terrorism there, that's irrelevant because they're not based there. Really?

@ChickenNugget6 I don't think you'll get an answer.

I think a lot of people do not understand the Palestine Israel conflict. The only thing they mention is 7th October 2023 and Hamas.

Yes Hamas are bad but they are not the only problem. Go back to 1948 and look at the Nakba where a lot of Palestinians were displaced from their own home. I remember even Bella Hadid her dad talking about this as well. Hamas have been in power for less than 17 years there are many problems that existed before them.

We have people on here who rightly argue Suella Braverman language on migrants and immigrants is dehumanising. Well if you look at some of Netanyahu and his cabinet they have said some atrocious things and believe Gaza should be wiped. Imagine that kind of language. Israel control a lot of things that enter Gaza, electricity etc.. But no one ever bats an eyelid to the plight of the Palestinians which has gone on for a very long time.

A lot of people say they are "wiping out Hamas." Let us just say every member of Hamas is wiped out and taken out then what? History tells us that taking out one group of people will lead to another bad group taking over. Look at drug cartels - El Chapo is in jail now and Pablo Escobar died in 1993 but the drug cartels have increased. You see a lot of cartels still existing and they do very brutal killings even today. So capturing El Chapo and Escobar has done very little. The same with Al Qaeda and the Taliban people thought they were the worst things in the world. But guess what something worse came - ISIS. The common denominator here is if you try and the cut the head of the snake off it grows back in another guise.

Stop being ridiculous and making this about Hamas. Children were murdered and it had NOTHING to do with Hamas. You can't answer to that and the fact that you are trying is ridiculous.

Israel are shooting innocent children in the west bank and then shouting... "But Hamas!" When Hamas has nothing to do with these deaths. Whether they are based there or there are hundreds of Hamas leaders there is irrelevant. The deaths have nothing to do with Hamas and they were murdered for throwing stones. Then again that story has always been an excuse by the IDF to kill children.

Are these the teens who were throwing rocks at soldiers? I don't think they deserve to die for it, they should've been sent to jail instead. Although that would've led to further rock throwing by others in protest so not sure what the answer is, really. I don't know anything about it though, haven't seen it mentioned on any news site yet so can't comment further. That organisation you linked to is so incredibly one-sided that I don't feel comfortable taking their word for it. Their descriptions of events are far too flowery for me to trust them fully. But yes, I think it's very sad if children have been shot and killed.

@SleepDreamThinkHuge

Why did you go back only to 1948? Anyone who wants to understand the conflict also needs to understand why the Jews, and the Christians of Lebanon, wanted their own state and why the Arabs repeatedly refused to let them have any - of any size - throughout the 1920's, 1930's and up to 1948.

I think stopping the spread of misinformation is always relevant. Don't you? And it's not as if the presence or otherwise of terrorism in the West Bank is some minor side issue.

It was just an example. Palestinians have been oppressed for a very long time but no ever batted an eyelid. It just shows some lives matter more than others.

Oh those murders had nothing to do with Hamas? Oh that's OK then. Let's all stop blaming Hamas. You ballsed up with your post earlier and now you're trying to back pedal.

How were the Jews and the Christians of Lebanon oppressing the majority Arab muslim population prior to 1948? How exactly were they oppressing them during the centuries they spent as dhimmis, second class citizens, under the religious supremacist imperialist system imposed after the Islamic conquest? Complete with gold stars, pogroms and all... A system that was only abolished by the Ottomans in 1856 as a result of European coercion after their loss in the Crimean War.

You're right, lots of people do believe some lives matter less than others.

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I'm just going to stop because I can't have a discussion with someone who doesn't condone the killing of innocent children.

The majority of the UK who support Palestine are against the killing of Israeli children but for some reason those who support Israel aren't against the killing of Palestinian children. I don't get it and I guess I never will.

Historical restrictions, treatment etc on dhimmis is no excuse to do the same to the people of Palestine for so long before 7th Oct
Surely people learn from the wrongs of their past.

It is certainly no excuse to aim for the total destruction of Gaza and all it’s people there.

@AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen

I was replying to a poster who claimed that other people 'do not understand the Palestine Israel conflict.' She went on to explain that:

'Yes Hamas are bad but they are not the only problem. Go back to 1948...'

I asked why someone would stop at 1948 if they genuinely wanted to understand the conflict (and apparently explain it to others...). She said that Palestinians had been oppressed for a very long time but 'no ever batted an eyelid. It just shows some lives matter more than others.'

In other words, she was repeating the social media meme that the conflict is caused by things Israel has done from 1948 onwards and that alleged lack of attention to it is caused by racism.

I'm not discussing excuses, or anything you claim the current Israeli government aims to do. I'm correcting a false leftist propaganda narrative. It's important to understand the root causes of this conflict.

‘Massacring thousands of innocent children has helped no one.’

it’s insane that something so obvious even has to be said.

Torturing, raping and executing other innocents has helped nobody either.