To think its not okay to great gazans as israel has been

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Gaza has no food, no electricity and no water. On top of that they are being bombarded constantly
Israel has bombed the only escape route for refugees via Egypt, there is no way out
israel continues the blockage by air, land and sea - no aid can get in, no one can get out.
israel has said they will obliterate Gaza.

this is unprecedented, no matter what happens with governments or wars, you have refugee camps…safe havens…(often difficult) access to water - how are we even debating that this is acceptable? Am i the only person thinking this is the human race at its absolute worst? Its heartbreaking to watch, literally noone is doing anything - we are observing a genocide.

Tell yoy about who? Most Jews aren't "prominent Israeli figures".

As with many conflicts around the world, somewhere, somehow, the British hand is always there. Utterly despicable

As with many conflicts around the world, somewhere, somehow, the British hand is always there. Utterly despicable

Don't deflect. You know exactly what I mean. Not a single senior or even junior figure (i.e. embassies around the world) from the Israeli government has publicly condemned their actions in Gaza...

If that was aimed at me (there's a quote feature btw) then I'm not deflecting. What does that have to do with why you think non-Israeli Jews are responsible for the actions of a foreign government.

Ermm never mind the non-israeli Jews, I'm referring to the one from Israel - they're yet to speak up...why is that?

So when you said "peace loving Jews should rise up and denounce the terror state of Israel" you only meant members if the Israeli government? You should've specified. What about non-Jewish government officials, are they included?

Yes, everyone in Israeli government...all of the elites or public figures, not one person has condemned Israels actions in Gaza...why?

‘Thought for the people of Gaza who must be in hell on earth as we speak, some retrieving their. dead child from rubbles, some not sure if they will be able to feed them tomorrow.’

I know. Imagine sitting with your terrified kids in darkness. Hungry and thirsty. Nothing you can say to reassure them. Bombs going off. Knowing it’s likely you will all die. They must be praying for someone to save them right now. It’s utterly devastating and heartbreaking.

And nobody gives a shit about them. The coldness to their plight from so many is sickening.

Some are, some aren't, some are grieving, some are terrified. They are still under attack from Hamas and other rockets you know.

Can you provide any quotes? I'm yet to see one anywhere.

I don't know, I don't know of that many Israeli public figures or what they may or may not have said. But in future you shouldn't say "Jews" when you mean "Jewish and non-Jewish Israeli public figures", it's quite confusing.

Hamas could release their hostages and Israel would turn everything back on. It’s a simple solution and would save many lives.

Have you looked on Twitter?

Exactly. Hamas could stop the suffering of the people who elected them if they wanted to. Just like Hamas could have chosen to leave the water pipes built by EU funds in place rather than dig them up to make rockets. They could have used aid money to improve the situation in Gaza, instead they chose to buy weapons and murder babies.

Probaby because they are still collecting the bodies from the terrorist atrocity they suffered. The reports are horrendous, genuinely I can’t believe anyone with any moral feeling could celebrate this.

1, 537 dead in Gaza now, including 500 children according to the Guardian.

You are incredibly naive if you think it is this straight forward. Israel will punish the Palestinians for this for years to come. They will use it as an excuse to take even more to which they are not entitled.

3 half hours it took for the festival goers to get proper help. That's astonishing isn't it when it's so close the three border. You would think there would be much more presence.

Probably true. That would appear to have been Hamas's plan. Commit some atrocities, really piss off the right wing Israeli government, and then use the retaliation to recruit the next generation, and inflame their international supporters. And, as always, it's the innocents (on both sides) who suffer. The only winners in this are holders of extreme militant views on either side.

And the arms dealers. Laughing all the way to the bank.

Do posters like you have an orgasm every time time you manage to take a critic of Israel's actions and turn it into "it's a shame Hamas...". That is a bit sadistic and abusive.

"over 500 children died because of Israel bombing". Oh no, look what Hamas made Israel do

'5000 children died of dehydration after Israel cut their water supply". Oh no, look what Hamas made Israel do

"A little boy was burned alive and another shot in the head by an IDF soldier during an attack of a Palestinian town by Israeli extremists". Oh no, look what Hamas ma... Oh, wait...

Do posters like you have an orgasm every time time you manage to take a critic of Israel's actions and turn it into "it's a shame Hamas...". That is a bit sadistic and abusive

What is currently happening in Gaza is a direct result of the atrocities carried out by Hamas on Saturday. I'm not saying this to minimise or absolve Israeli action but given that Israel have only just suffered one of the biggest terrorist attacks ever it's absolutely correct to mention it.

It's also really off under the circumstances to accuse a poster of being "sadistic and abusive" as a way to try and silence them from talking about genuinely sadistic, abusive events just because you are so anti the affected country that you can't bear to see its citizens get any acknowledgement for their suffering.

What the fuck do you think was Hamas's aim with the attacks? They weren't going to occupy Israel. They weren't going to defeat Israel. Of course this is what they wanted. Hamas committed atrocities, in the hope that Israel would commit atrocities. Which they are. This was clearly the game plan. I deplore what Hamas did. I deplore what Israel is doing. But one of the reasons I deplore what Hamas did was because it was pretty much designed to trigger the Israeli government into actions that would kill Palestinians. Hamas deliberately wanted Palestinians to die for political gain. Killing innocent people you consider to be your enemy is incredibly wrong. But deliberately triggering the death of what you consider to be your own side? What do you call that? there are no good guys in this. But there are innocents on both sides being slaughtered.

I'm quite puzzled that Keir Starmer and Emily Thornberry have said they think it's fine to block water etc from civilians. They seem to state it's also following international law. But then Tory MP Alicia Kearns is saying Israel has a duty to switch water back on under international law. She also argues Britain should be pushing for a humanitarian corridor. Why is there such different views of both what is international law and of what is moral? I was vaguely thinking of voting Labour, but the sheer callous dismissal of a million children has completely put me off. I'm not arguing for the Tories by the way - still politically homeless.