To be against the attacks on Palestine

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What happened in Israel was horrific by Hamas. But why are Palestinians being restricted, bombed, dehydrated and deprived of basic needs because of terrorists? Why is the world supporting Israel commiting war crimes?

Hamas are sick fucks to kill innocents. But it's like history repeating again. 9/11 caused millions of Iraqis killed for what?

Have we learned nothing from the past???

The Israeli Air Force said it bombed the crossing as it was targeting an underground smuggling tunnel.

Rafah is the town that sits right on the border between Egypt and Gaza. The border in fact cuts it right in the middle. People living on the two sides are often family members or members of the same tribe, so it's quite easy for them to dig, over long periods of time, tunnels beneath the border that start and end at family/tribe member's home.

Since these tunnels are the lifeline of Gaza, it's incredibly lucrative to operate these, and worth the risk of occasionally getting caught by the Egyptians (Israel didn't monitor these since it doesn't control either side of the border).

In previous military operations Israel tried at key points to demolish enough houses on the Gazan side to make this endeavour harder, but realistically, when Hamas can dig 2-3 mile long tunnels into Israeli villages, needing to dig a few more feet here isn't much of a challenge.

To fully stop these tunnels would take demolishing most of the town of Rafah, which no side will, understandably, undertake.

Why can't the Egyptians allow women, children, the sick and elderly through?

This is incorrect. According to international law Israel is considered an apartheid state. There are still many nations that do no recognise Israel as a country.

‘Apartheid refers to the implementation and maintenance of a system of legalized racial segregation in which one racial group is deprived of political and civil rights. Apartheid is a crime against humanity punishable under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.’

Israel has an army and the backing of the US. The violence and stealing of land had been going on for decades.

They should stop the blockade of Gaza, stop the illegal settlements in the West Bank and aim for peaceful talks with Palestine otherwise this violence will never stop.

I know Israel is insecure and greedy but it’s the US and western nations I’m most disappointed in.

As it was a war between peer rivals it was always going to be the case that the victor would decide the justice and the ultimate legality of the struggle and the Nazis were so evil and wanton in their aggression and destruction that Nuremberg and finding them guilty would be that outcome. But my late father who fought in the war thought that the firebombing raids in Germany and the 2 atomic bombs were war crimes as apparently did a lot of his compatriots at the time as the wanton destruction of whole cities incinerating 100s of thousands of civilians is a crime against humanity however you paint it and weren't military objectives more that of state terror. Or at least it is in my moral universe. He was in the Signals and went through Hamburg at the end of the war and said the destruction was like nothing he could ever believe man would do to man.

I'm sorry you are unable to give an intelligent or non-emotive response.

So... why do you put Israeli government as worse than Hamas? I don't get it. Why is there a 'but' in here?

@Green777

You’ll never convince anyone with these absolutely insane comparisons and misinformation.

Again, take it up with the UN?

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Firstly if I have posted anything factually incorrect please provide counter evidence.

Secondly I agree that I will never convince those who have firmly held beliefs on this topic. However I will continue to post factual evidence and highlight attempted misinformation so that those who are unfamiliar with this topic can take a more informed opinion.

Well, that's really a question for Egypt to answer but, putting it simply the Egyptians don’t want to become dead.

The primary reason Hamas doesn’t fire rockets at Egypt is because there isn’t much in the Sinai to hit, not many people to kill, and opening the border would allow them to move the rockets closer to where the population is. Egypt has maintained peace with Israel and that makes Egypt an enemy to the people of Gaza.

Egyptians destroy every tunnel they find and still terrorists from Gaza cross it to come and fight the Egyptian army and police thus killing Egyptians.

Only a fool opens his doors to those that want to kill him.

@flufferknutter

"Why can't the Egyptians allow women, children, the sick and elderly through?"

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Firstly the Egyptians are trying to allow women, children, the sick, the elderly and those with foreign passports through, although it is slow and heavily restricted and the UK for example is offering them support on this.

Secondly the Egyptians had closed the Gaza border crossing for some ten years after terrorists were using Gaza as a base from which to smuggle weapons and to attack Egyptians in Northern Sinai. Sound familiar?

Thirdly Egypt does not want to recreate Gaza V2.0 of 2 million refugees in Northern Sinai where the risk is it will become another base on Egyptian soil for terrorists to launch attacks against Egypt and Israel.

The editor of the Jewish Chronicle wrote this. Most Muslims are the problem apparently.

@Flying724 "Israel can collect the Hamas terrorist one at a time."

That is one of the daftest posts I've seen on MN for some time 🙄

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Interesting that 'not all, but many' turned into 'most' when you 'paraphrased' it. Did you even notice you had done that?

This is an independent journalist exposing misinformation on all sides:

x.com/shayan86?s=21&t=roDeJ8lNY1suZljI8XTTQg

I didn't, but thanks for pointing it out. Many, not all Muslims are the problem according to the editor of the Jewish Chronicle. Still shocking when you consider there are 1.8 billion Muslims worldwide of which many apparently are in the grip of a death cult. I suppose at least he is saying out loud what apparently a lot of folks are thinking, but not helpful for a community leader of influence to do that anyway.

the nearest example I can think of is when the IRA were bombing the mainland. An equivalent response would have been to blockade NI and proceed to carpet bomb all the major cities on the grounds that those who did it must be there somewhere. We didn't do that.

Since he was writing a tweet rather than an article, and as it's in the context of a demonstration in Gaza, he was most likely referring to Muslims in Gaza. Many if not most muslims in Gaza do support Hamas, so it's a reasonable opinion in their case. I agree it was irresponsibly worded.

I wasn't aware that the founding charter of the IRA quoted Christian scriptures that it aspired to the realization of God's promise that the day of Judgement would only come about when the Irish fought and killed the English.

'the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).'

The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988 (yale.edu)

the nearest example I can think of is when the IRA were bombing the mainland. An equivalent response would have been to blockade NI and proceed to carpet bomb all the major cities on the grounds that those who did it must be there somewhere. We didn't do that.

But Northern Ireland is part of the UK?

It’s more akin to terror attacks on the West & the subsequent War on Terror which displaced millions & killed thousands of innocent civilians

Don't they a have fantastic intelligence service supported by the US? Also UK has sent help this morning I read somewhere.

The War On Terror was also extremely dubious. A lot of innocents killed or locked up for years in revenge for the actions of a number of Saudis. Saudi Arabia was not attacked.

It looks like Isreal is going to colonise Gaza.

@SideBob we expect better from a ‘democracy’ that’s why.

@1dayatatime do you think the UN is correct in their stance against how Israel are conducting the revenge? Or do you think them condemning the breaking of international law and war crimes incorrect? Please answer with a yes or a no.

Both are democracies?