To be against the attacks on Palestine

[Threemangoes]

What happened in Israel was horrific by Hamas. But why are Palestinians being restricted, bombed, dehydrated and deprived of basic needs because of terrorists? Why is the world supporting Israel commiting war crimes?

Hamas are sick fucks to kill innocents. But it's like history repeating again. 9/11 caused millions of Iraqis killed for what?

Have we learned nothing from the past???

Hamas is a TERRORIST organisation that doesn’t give a shit who’s the collateral damage.

STOP using that as an excuse for Israel

@NotTerfNorCis

Thanks for clearing that up, I agree with you.

@FOJN

"You have admitted that it's not possible so instructions given by Hama's become irrelevant.

If you were trapped in Gaza, under bombardment from Israel, who would you trust?"

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Firstly it is not an "admission" it is simply a statement of fact. Secondly it would be a statement of fact that it is possible to move a much smaller number of people to Southern Gaza in 24 hours, even if you choose to define that number as say 1,000 people for example. Thirdly the instructions given by Hamas are entirely relevant given that they govern Gaza and therefore can either assist or prevent those wishing to move south and it is evident that they wish to prevent them moving south.

Finally in answer to your point that if I was trapped in Gaza then who would I trust, the answer is neither the Israelis or Hamas. But I would definitely be trying to move to southern Gaza if for no other reason than it is closer to Egypt and the only open border crossing out at Rafah.

www.reuters.com/world/egypt-facilitating-deliveries-aid-sinai-gaza-2023-10-12/

Hamas are using the Gazan population as human shields. They treat the Palestinians as inhumanely as the Israelis. Why are they doing this? Because they are an extremist muslim death cult as well as a criminal gang. They are not interested in peace and prosperity for all Palestinians, their aim is to cause as much havoc as possible, made worse by affiliating with ISIS and Iran. Hamas seek to cause as much human suffering as possible, because that is how death cult terror groups operate, they want terror and war, not peace and happiness.

I truly wish that something better will come after all this mess. Peace and prosperity and a mutually respectful coexistence of Israelis and Palestinians in the middle east. Unfortunately, this is not in the interest of Hamas, Iran or any jihadists.

Not an apologist just simply pointing out attempted deliberate misinformation with evidence.

But thank you for the personal insult as it shows that you have no counter argument.

@1dayatatime

You are making a lot of noise saying it’s deliberate misinformation that posters are quoting when it is not.

You are accusing others of deliberate omission just because they haven’t said Hamas are misleading their people with saying it’s fake propaganda.

Do you not realise that’s neither here nor there with relation to the truth of what Israel are doing and what’s being commented on. You’re deliberately trying to deflect from that with a silly agenda.

We all know how evil Hamas is and we’re mostly unsurprised by them telling Palestinians to stay where they are. It isn’t relevant to what Israel are doing at all. Do you have the same sense of injustice toward that?

@Green777

Another poster excusing whatever Israel does to civilians with ‘well Hamas has brought it on them so too bad’

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Oh this is a new approach!

Putting out entirely made up "quotes" that I never made but cleverly using "another poster" so they can deny it was in reference to my posts.

Please try harder.

@ForFriends

Agreed.

Do you believe how the Palestinians in Gaza have been treated and the conditions they endure are a result of such peace and love from Israel?

@1dayatatime

I’ve engaged you personally, not trying to hide it? You’re blatantly doing that for anyone who can read and reason, your excuses are excuses plain and clear.

What I meant was Israel always says that Hamas are hiding in schools and hospitals thats why they bomb these places. Their is no excuse to bomb hospitals,schools and UN areas. That's what I called propaganda not the new this morning that they have to evacuate with 24hrs.

@Green777

"You are making a lot of noise saying it’s deliberate misinformation that posters are quoting when it is not. "

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OK if you think anything I have written is factually incorrect then please provide me with counter evidence.

In the meantime I will continue to point out misinformation with evidence.

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Again not an apologist just simply pointing out attempted deliberate misinformation with evidence.

If you believe that anything I have written is factually incorrect then please feel free to provide counter evidence.

@1dayatatime

The problem isn’t that you aren’t factually correct in the one sided facts you claim. Although the white phosphorus one, we’ll still see about that one being perfectly fine to use on civilians.

The problem lies in you accusing anyone of stating equally factual facts as misinformation because it criticises Israel/sympathises with Palestinian civilians.

Your posts clearly show you support Israel and try to excuse their war crimes with ‘ah well Hamas brought it on them really’ as a way out of Israel having any accountability in how it carries out its revenge.

Please, everyone, let’s stop this whole reasoning happening in the media and in support of Israel.

The reasoning goes like this:

Hamas did wrong so the Palestinian civilians just have to now suck it up, accept being starved, water withheld from their whole population, terrorised in return and killed, accept anything Israel does now even though it’s a ‘democracy’.

It’s not said in this in your face way but it’s very much the underlying sentiment.

The Times

What will the ratio be I wonder, 100 Palestines killed for every Israeli?

The Israelis keep bombing the Rafah border crossing it has been closed multiple times in the last few days. The Egyptians have said it has been necessary to close the border because it's impossible for border staff to do their work.

The Egyptians have already refused to open a humanitarian corridor via the Rafah crossing because they have their own problems with the Muslim Brotherhood and do not want Hamas to gain entry to the Sinai peninsula hidden among civilians.

If you were trapped in Gaza you would not have access to any accurate information upon which to base a decision. Whilst you and I know Hamas are using the civilian population you are unrealistically expecting the Palestinians to trust the country bombing them and effectively saying if they don't follow Israel's advice then it's their own fault if they are injured or killed.

It's gaslighting, you should be ashamed of yourself.

@Green777

The problem isn’t that you aren’t factually correct in the one sided facts you claim. Although the white phosphorus one, we’ll still see about that one being perfectly fine to use on civilians.

The problem lies in you accusing anyone of stating equally factual facts as misinformation because it criticises Israel/sympathises with Palestinian civilians.

Your posts clearly show you support Israel and try to excuse their war crimes with ‘ah well Hamas brought it on them really’ as a way out of Israel having any accountability in how it carries out its revenge.

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Firstly thank you for agreeing that my posts are not factually incorrect although if they ever are then I would certainly welcome any counter evidence.

I have most definitely countered those who put out either entirely false information or those such as the Syrian airport bombings that are cleverly worded to imply this was done to stop aid reaching Gaza.

At absolutely no point have I ever stated ‘ah well Hamas brought it on them really’ so I don't know why you insist on putting in quotation marks.

Who you or I personally support is irrelevant but what is relevant in this heated and emotional debate is the facts. My posts are entirely about pointing out factually inaccuracies and misleading that are designed to influence those are less informed on this topic.

I mean you can argue about semantics but meanwhile over a million normal people(and that will include 500,000 children) have been asked to do the impossible or face what? Imagine how terrifying that must be. 400,000 people probably including 200,000 children already displaced, their homes and lives gone. They have no water, no food, probably haven't slept, no power, no form of communication.They have no one on their side, no chance of any aid, whatever healthcare there is is going to have to shut down and they are trapped.

Imagine that? Imagine the fear, the hopelessness? It's not hard to see why people are finding this shocking and upsetting about this. It's an horrific act for any government to carry out and it needs to be condemned.

How should the Israeli government deal with Hamas and how should Israel respond to the massacre? What would be a better way? Please don't reply with what they shouldn't do as that is not my question, what should Israel and the Palestinians do to establish peace and live with each other in the middle east?

@Green777 ."Hamas did wrong so the Palestinian civilians just have to now suck it up, accept being starved, water withheld from their whole population, terrorised in return and killed, accept anything Israel does now even though it’s a ‘democracy’."

Hamas, a significant and influential militant group, assumed power in Gaza following the 2006 Palestinian legislative elections.

In 1988, Hamas published its charter, calling for the destruction of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic society in historic Palestine.

So people in Gaza knew what Hamas' Modus Operandi was. They knew what they were voting for and had known for 18 years.

So it's a bit late to cry "foul" now.

Everything Israel has done has been to stop itself being anihilated.

@1dayatatime

Again, if you read this post you’ll see you’re attacking and accusing people of deliberate misinformation. On what? That they purposefully omitted that Hamas have said to stay where they are to the Palestinians. A poster apologised for this and said they weren’t even aware of it.

What got your goat so much about omitting that caused you to accuse them of serious misinformation?

A lot of us can see clearly why you are accusing people of misinformation because they didn’t mention that fact (even though they’re contributions on what Israel is doing is wrong are correct) that Hamas said that.

You want to deflect the majority of correct facts with one small irrelevant fact. Even if the posters did mention what Hamas is saying to the Palestinian civilians, it doesn’t take away from the FACT that Israel is commuting war crimes.

Take it up with the UN if you have a problem with that.

@FOJN

Firstly did you read the link below, the border crossing at Rafah is now open although I will completely agree with you that it is heavily restricted by Egypt (especially for adult males) in order to prevent terrorists going to Northern Sinai.

Secondly if I was a trapped Palestinian in Gaza then I would absolutely not trust the Israelis but equally I would not trust Hamas. As such the logical action is to move south as far away from Israel as possible and hopefully get into Egypt
especially as Egypt has asked Israel not to bomb the crossing again ( which if they want to keep Egypt on side they will follow). In fact I would be moving as close to the crossing point as I could.