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To be against the attacks on Palestine

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Threemangoes · 11/10/2023 13:42

What happened in Israel was horrific by Hamas. But why are Palestinians being restricted, bombed, dehydrated and deprived of basic needs because of terrorists? Why is the world supporting Israel commiting war crimes?

Hamas are sick fucks to kill innocents. But it's like history repeating again. 9/11 caused millions of Iraqis killed for what?

Have we learned nothing from the past???

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pollytee · 12/10/2023 14:21

pollytee · 12/10/2023 13:53

Yes.

Check the date on the tweet he's rolled back that now for Gaza and is visiting Israel in the next few days.

StowOnTheWold · 12/10/2023 14:22

TokyoSushi · 12/10/2023 14:00

I'm interested in the US response. Antony Blinken has already arrived in Israel and is resolute that Israel has the US full support. As far as I'm aware, Israel has the money and the means to destroy (or at least significantly harm) Hamas if they want to, but the US seem to be making a big role for themselves already. Why is this? Honestly genuine, not trying to be goady at all question.

It is being widely reported that Blinken and the EU are working together to allow humanitarian corridors for women and children and for basic needs for survival: water, food, power and medicine. There is a lot of pressure on Israel now to make sure this provision is complied with.

Who gets that is largely down to Hamas (or ISIS as they probably are).

This pressure is not about stopping the IDF with its plans to enter into Gaza and eradicate Hamas / ISIS. Nobody can stop that. It’s about holding Israel to account under international law during this process.

Efacsen · 12/10/2023 14:41

TokyoSushi · 12/10/2023 14:00

I'm interested in the US response. Antony Blinken has already arrived in Israel and is resolute that Israel has the US full support. As far as I'm aware, Israel has the money and the means to destroy (or at least significantly harm) Hamas if they want to, but the US seem to be making a big role for themselves already. Why is this? Honestly genuine, not trying to be goady at all question.

IDK but - US have provided aid to Israel mainly in the form of weaponry for decades

US-Jewish voters will play a significant part in next years US elections

Whilst 'fully supporting' Israel they are also attempting to moderate Israels response - humanitarian safe passage and not approving of total blockade

Dolphin1111111111111111111111111 · 12/10/2023 14:47

@ForFriends please see attached. The US have not seen any photos at all and was fake news.

To be against the attacks on Palestine
Dolphin1111111111111111111111111 · 12/10/2023 14:50

@ForFriends

To be against the attacks on Palestine
StowOnTheWold · 12/10/2023 14:51

Efacsen · 12/10/2023 14:41

IDK but - US have provided aid to Israel mainly in the form of weaponry for decades

US-Jewish voters will play a significant part in next years US elections

Whilst 'fully supporting' Israel they are also attempting to moderate Israels response - humanitarian safe passage and not approving of total blockade

I suspect there has to be a sense of a potential tipping point from the Iranian regime. Aircraft carriers in the eastern med and Blinken in Tel Aviv send a very clear message “Don’t even think about repeating 1967 or 1973”.

Dolphin1111111111111111111111111 · 12/10/2023 14:52

Biden said that without seeing anything and based his comments from comments from Netanyahu claims. This was confirmed from the a Whitehouse spokesman and on the Washington post

Helpmepleaseimbusy · 12/10/2023 15:00

duchiebun · 11/10/2023 18:34

That is why Egypt closed the borders. No other Arab country want them

This aspect does get glossed over. @FlowFle @Threemangoes do you think Eqypt should let civilians in? Why aren’t they?

Rubbish. No Other Arab country want them? Over the years Syria has taken many Palestinians. Some were refugees twice as they went to Iraq and then had to flee Iraq. Pls don't make silly statements.

Tessofthebicyles · 12/10/2023 15:13

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Cornettoninja · 12/10/2023 15:18

They voted Hamas in. Hamas was, and still is committed to "pushing the Israelis into the sea" and they have always said this.

This statement is posted with the certainty that they have a free and non-corrupt democracy. I’m not sure that’s true.

pollytee · 12/10/2023 15:19

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And there you have it. All of them guilty directly or by association Hamas, men, women, children, unborn and born babies. Countries, that do that in the annals of history are reviled.

SomeCatFromJapan · 12/10/2023 15:22

@Tessofthebicyles speaking of the devil:

https://twitter.com/RobFreudenthal/status/1712452958879670414

Tessofthebicyles · 12/10/2023 15:22

sadmumuk · 11/10/2023 23:51

Let’s remind everyone here it was the Palestinians who welcomed the would be Israelis post WW2 and in return were colonised.

That's not quite true.

At the end of World War II, thousands of European Jews who had found refuge in Palestine during the war sought to return to their countries of origin through a repatriation program launched by the Middle East office of the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration (UNRRA).
Jews have had historical and religious connections to the Land of Israel for thousands of years.

Tessofthebicyles · 12/10/2023 15:31

@1dayatatime
"Firstly Israel does not occupy Gaza - all Israeli presence left in 2005. Secondly if Gaza is uninhabitable why is that entirely on Israel - does Hamas not bear any responsibility in making Gaza habitable."

Exactly.
Hamas has mismanged Gaza for years
The Gaza Strip has been suffering a major water crisis for decades, due to the continuous depletion of the underground aquifer faster than it can be replenished, so now sea water is entering it and making it unfit for drinking. Also the random drilling of wells, poor foreign funding for water and desalination projects, and the citizen’s inability to pay municipal water bills due to the difficult economic conditions in the enclave.

And this is Israel's fault ?!

Tessofthebicyles · 12/10/2023 15:32

SomeCatFromJapan · 12/10/2023 15:22

@Tessofthebicyles speaking of the devil:

Yes, I knew he didn't live in Gaza - hey-ho what a surprise.

helpddgrow · 12/10/2023 15:44

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Tessofthebicyles · 12/10/2023 15:48

@Lindtislife "Israel is violating international laws
Palestine has been under blockade for 20 years, all their resources have to come through Israel and now it has all been turned off
no electricity, no fuel, no food, no running water, no working hospital,
this is a war crime"

So ask yourself why Gaza can't generate it's own electricity via solar panels/wind turbines - for crying out loud they have enough sunshine and wind there don't they?
"No running water" - that's because Gaza won't invest in desalination plants, they'd soon use foreign aid to buy munitions.

Optionyougot · 12/10/2023 15:48

The people of Gaza are authors of their own misfortune.They voted Hamas in. Hamas was, and still is committed to "pushing the Israelis into the sea" and they have always said this.

Apply some stats here. Less than half of the palestinian population voted for Hamas 17 years ago in the last free election. Of all voters, less than 22% percent of the people are still living. That would mean, in real numbers, 90% of Palestinians are now being ruled by a party they did not vote for, and have not had the opportunity to vote out. Like hell are these children authors of their own misfortune. 75% didn't support Hamas stance on Israel. So you have a party that the majority did not vote for and a stance a significant majority did not support come into power. Then free elections were suspended.

Hamas are responsible here, and they don't give a damn about the palestinian civilians used as shields and caught in the crossfire. Israel doesn't seem to care about palestinian civilians used as shields and caught in the crossfire as they retaliate. I dont think it's unreasonable to recognise and abhor the palestinian experience whilst acknowledging Israel cannot allow Hamas to continue.

Efacsen · 12/10/2023 15:51

SomeCatFromJapan · 12/10/2023 15:22

@Tessofthebicyles speaking of the devil:

Sort of surprised that the leader of Hamas is only worth 2 million

Qatar give him over 600 million a year for admin costs and buying weapons

Wonder how many other senior figures and their families are there ATM

Lindtislife · 12/10/2023 15:52

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Optionyougot · 12/10/2023 16:04

Tessofthebicyles · 12/10/2023 15:48

@Lindtislife "Israel is violating international laws
Palestine has been under blockade for 20 years, all their resources have to come through Israel and now it has all been turned off
no electricity, no fuel, no food, no running water, no working hospital,
this is a war crime"

So ask yourself why Gaza can't generate it's own electricity via solar panels/wind turbines - for crying out loud they have enough sunshine and wind there don't they?
"No running water" - that's because Gaza won't invest in desalination plants, they'd soon use foreign aid to buy munitions.

In part, this is due to Hamas routing funds to weapons, misuse through corruption and the subterranean construction. Diverting resources away from palestinian people who need it.

It is also due to the fact that for years now import of goods and building materials has only been possible through Israel and the movement of these materials heavily restricted. The rafah gate, when open, has been for personnel rather than goods.

Palestinians have been denied the financial means to build necessary infrastructure by Hamas, and the practical/resources by Israel. They are caught between two aggressors.

Tessofthebicyles · 12/10/2023 16:11

Luckydip1 · 12/10/2023 11:42

Back in the early 1800s there were only a small number of Jews that lived in Palestine. Herzl then determined that this should become a permanent home for Jews and gained political support. No one consulted the Palestinians. Jewish people have since been settling there and occupying more and more land and now aggressively protect the land they have settled on, primarily with US support. I expect the Jewish people will eventually take over the entire former Palestine because they have the military power to do so.

That's not quite correct.

The middle of the nineteenth century in Palestine marked the end of a quarter of a millenium of neglect and decline. Around 1800 Palestine was a backward province of the Ottoman Empire, largely rural and sparsely populated. Both rural and urban economies were traditional and poor. From about 1850, a process of change began which led to a resurgence and development of the country.
An important determinant in this process was an increase of European influence within the Ottoman empire in general and Palestine in particular.

The Ottoman Empire sided with Germany in World War I (1914–18); which turned out to be a mistake as post war treaties dissolved the Empire.

In 1922, Palestine fell under British colonial rule for the better part of three decades. During those years, Jews fleeing religious persecution immigrated to Palestine en masse, mostly from Eastern Europe, where Nazism was gaining traction.

Until that time, the Arabs living there saw themselves primarily not as “Palestinians” in the sense of a nationhood but as Arabs living in Palestine.

pollytee · 12/10/2023 16:21

Every decent person reviles what Hamas has done in the recent events just as every decent person reviles what Israel is pitilessly doing to Gaza and if you don't then you're not a decent person.

SovietSpy · 12/10/2023 16:25

The rafah gate, when open, has been for personnel rather than goods

False. There is UN data which tracks movement of people and goods into Gaza across all the border crossings, including Rafah. Their data shows trucks with construction materials as well as petrol and diesel entered Gaza through the Rafah crossing.

Since 2018, goods have also entered Gaza regularly from Egypt, via the Rafah crossing, controlled by the Egyptian authorities, and then through the adjacent Salah Ad Din Gate, controlled by the local authorities.

please stop peddling false information.

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