To be against the attacks on Palestine

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What happened in Israel was horrific by Hamas. But why are Palestinians being restricted, bombed, dehydrated and deprived of basic needs because of terrorists? Why is the world supporting Israel commiting war crimes?

Hamas are sick fucks to kill innocents. But it's like history repeating again. 9/11 caused millions of Iraqis killed for what?

Have we learned nothing from the past???

Are the lines between defence and retaliation becoming blurred in this conflict? Retaliation is not defence. I mean we know Hamaz launch rockets from densely populated areas, but is there anywhere in Gaza NOT densely populated? Right to defend obviously, but it seemed to take many hours to mobilize any defence which raises serious leadership questions in itself for a government afforded access to so e of the most sophisticated military capability in the world. I mean honestly, how did they not see this coming? I just don't get it. It almost feels like they just let it happen to justify the retaliatory obliteration. How does something this basic slip under the nose of the most sophisticated military capabilities? It almost seems like there were no defences whatsoever on the border, I mean they got miles into Israeli territory and rampaged for hours before help arrived. I'd expect that from a lackluster tin pot government in a third world country, but Israel? Really?

Sources that no one wants them? Are we being openly racist now?

Why do people keep bringing Egypt into it? Imagine if we started bombing and starving Devon and then blamed Cornwall for not letting them in. And if Devon people had no right of return so Cornwall knew these people would be staying permanently. Egypt is in discussion and planning for a humanitarian corridor and refugee assistance. But they are not the richest country and 2 million people is a lot. None of this has anything to do with them. If people are displaced it is Israel doing it.

@BigBillyButterBollocks

Tell us why? Instead of implying things...

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Because for over ten years now terrorists have been using Gaza as a base from which to attack and kill Egyptians in Northern Sinai. Sound familiar?

So understandably Egypt has had very tight border controls at Rafah for over ten years.

Such a source is not regarded as credible because of the organisation's reputation. People should always fact check.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU#:~:text=Climate%20Feedback%2C%20Reuters%20and%20the,misleading%20information%20about%20the%20pandemic.

Climate deniers and vaccine conspiracy theories etc.

How on earth is that being racist? Egypt don't want them, they've openly said that! Stop trying to portray it as israel are bombing them as they try to escape, you're being ludicrous

@ketchup07070

"Why do people keep bringing Egypt into it?"

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Well because Israel is often accused of turning Gaza into an open air prison by restricting movements in and out of Gaza to Israel on the grounds of stopping terrorists entering Israel and causing attacks.

Meanwhile Egypt has restricted movements in and out of Gaza to Egypt on the grounds of stoping terrorists entering Egypt and causing attacks.

Now Israel seems to get a lot of criticism for this approach but seemingly no one seems to mind about Egypt?

@1dayatatime
I was referring to people asking why Egypt doesn't let them all in at this time. They are entitled to restrict movement for whatever reasons. The point is they do not occupy Gaza, nor have they blockaded it, nor are they bombing it. If it's uninhabitable for Gazans that is entirely on Israel, and nothing to do with Egypt, who are prepared to help but obviously a huge influx of traumatised people does need some planning and organising, obviously.

If someone want a bit of a less... hum... "Palestinian-adverse" view of what is happening at the Egyptian crossing

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@BigBillyButterBollocks

"Sources that no one wants them? Are we being openly racist now?"

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Geez trying to play the race card now - this is getting desperate.

Look it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with not wanting to be slaughtered:

amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/24/egypt-mosque-attack-kills-dozens-reports

From your article

"No group has claimed responsibility for the attack"

It doesn't mention Hamas, Gaza or Palestinian. What point are you trying to make?

An educated guess could be that prior to Sadat’s 1978 Camp David peace accords with Israel, Palestinians were warmly welcomed into Egypt.

This ‘peace accord’ stripped Palestinians of the rights previously afforded to them in Egypt, and well… being educated you know disenfranchisement often leads to dissidence🤷🏽‍♀️.

Of course you’ll disagree and tell us the real ‘why’, as being cryptic will only leave us in ignorance.

You are the super hero of "eat this truth friend" (Wonder EducatedGuess?)

@ketchup07070

I was referring to people asking why Egypt doesn't let them all in at this time. They are entitled to restrict movement for whatever reasons. The point is they do not occupy Gaza, nor have they blockaded it, nor are they bombing it. If it's uninhabitable for Gazans that is entirely on Israel, and nothing to do with Egypt, who are prepared to help but obviously a huge influx of traumatised people does need some planning and organising, obviously.

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Firstly Israel does not occupy Gaza - all Israeli presence left in 2005. Secondly if Gaza is uninhabitable why is that entirely on Israel - does Hamas not bear any responsibility in making Gaza habitable.

Thirdly Egypt really doesn't want the Palestinians into Sinai especially after seeing what the Palestinian refugees did in Jordan (when they tried to take over the country) or Lebanon where they sparked a civil war or Kuwait (where Palestinians supported Saddam Husseins invasion) or even Libya where their terrorist attacks on the west resulted in Libya being bombed.

Leaders supporting Israel, without any mention of allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza for civilians (half of which are children) is disgusting imo.

I do not fully understand the historical intricacies of this war, but leaving children trapped with no food, water or medical supplies to die is barbaric and heartbreaking.

Newsnight has just quoted the Geneva convention, stating that the starvation of civilians is prohibited within international law.. why is this not being prioritized?

@BigBillyButterBollocks

Well it wasn't the fairy godmother was it - come on you know the terrorists in the Northern Sinai insurgency were getting support from Gaza.

"The fallout suffered by the locals as a result of the insurgency in Sinai ranges from militant operations and the state of insecurity to extensive military operations and the demolishing of hundreds of homes and evacuating thousands of residents as Egyptian troops pressed on to build a buffer zone meant to halt the smuggling of weapons and militants from and to the Gaza stripp*."

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinai_insurgency

@1dayatatime Your article about an attack in Egypt that didn't have no link to Gaza didn't work so you're bringing Jordan? Black September was 52 years ago ffs. I think Jordan is fine with Palestinians now.

"There are around three million Palestinians in Jordan, located overwhelmingly in the north-western part of the country, principally in the environs of Amman, Zarqa and Irbid"

It's occupied according to the UN, who have more authority than you do. Hamas - they have committed monstrous acts but have not reduced Gaza to rubble. But yes, they have invited an angry response. Still not Egypt's responsibility. Your 3rd point sounds racist to me, but I don't know the events in detail - still not up for tarring a whole people terrorist because of the actions of some of them.

I mean, Jordan, of all places.

If I were that poster I’d stay away from Black September; because it’s just another conflict that dates back to Israeli’s stealing Palestinian lands and driving large numbers into other countries.

Demographic changes influence politics.

Let’s remind everyone here it was the Palestinians who welcomed the would be Israelis post WW2 and in return were colonised.

So you’re saying you’re okay with the mass murder of innocent people, mainly children? Okay.

@BigBillyButterBollocks

Look I am not making this stuff up - it did happen:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017Sinaiimosqueattack

The Northern Sinai insurgency involved terrorist groups based out of Gaza:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinai_insurgency

This comment right here. If someone stole my land and killed my children and was celebrated for it I would want blood.

@BigBillyButterBollocks

@1dayatatime Your article about an attack in Egypt that didn't have no link to Gaza didn't work so you're bringing Jordan? Black September was 52 years ago ffs. I think Jordan is fine with Palestinians now.

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Now that I have given you the link between the Northern Sinai terrorist attacks and Gaza let's turn to Jordan.

Given that many posters are referring to events of 1948 and 1967, I would personally say the Jordanian Civil War of 1970 / 71 is more recent and equally relevant.

Yes the Jordanians are indeed fine with Palestinians now. As reasonable people their issue was never with ordinary Palestinians but with the Palestinian leadership under the PLO that tried to overthrow King Hussein.