To be against the attacks on Palestine

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What happened in Israel was horrific by Hamas. But why are Palestinians being restricted, bombed, dehydrated and deprived of basic needs because of terrorists? Why is the world supporting Israel commiting war crimes?

Hamas are sick fucks to kill innocents. But it's like history repeating again. 9/11 caused millions of Iraqis killed for what?

Have we learned nothing from the past???

Yea it is. Saying that that is inexcusable and Hamas' actions are not is picking sides.

It is absolutely picking sides. You're making excuses for one group that they're oppressed so we should not blame them.

And saying the other group is worse for retaliating.

For once, I actually don't blame Israel after what has happened. If it's the quickest way to end the war and causes civilians to leave, then that might be the best option for now.

I think a lot of people are looking into this as hamas being some sort of random terrorist group. They were elected into government by the people of gaza knowing that their goal was to annihilate Israel and its people.
Yes this was in 2006, but recent surveys show the majority still support hamas.
Hamas doesn't care about the Palestinian people or they wouldn't have started this war. As others have said, they are using their people as human shields by hiding in civilian areas. Civilians were told by Israel to leave gaza city for their own safety, but hamas are telling them not to/its a trap etc to keep them in the middle of it.

It's very hard to have sympathy with people that cheer in the streets at the atrocities that they have committed in the last few days unfortunately.

How is ensuring that 2 million human beings, half of it children, are starving a bad thing? Yeah, you lost me there.

Leave where?

Out of interest, how would you like Israel to have responded to the slaughter of over 1000 innocent civilians and kidnapping of over 100? What would have been an acceptable response?

I would have assumed everyone to be horrified by both, but I'll be interested to see how many people are dancing up and down High St Ken tomorrow.

I was stunned by scenes on Monday, will await the reaction to this with baited breath.

How is ensuring that 2 million human beings, half of it children, are starving a bad thing? Yeah, you lost me there.

Oh here we go with the strawman. Ok here we go, Jesus. You're feeding the 2000 are you?

causes civilians to leave

They can't leave.

The fact that you don't know that suggests you need to do some reading before you offer an opinion.

I tried to address the situation that they can not go anywhere because no one will take them.. but apparently it’s worth being deleted

Good question to which I can't definitively answer.

Firstly that video was created 2 years ago so well before the current crisis and when there was more focus on what could be done to improve the situation of ordinary Palestinians and how Hamas was part of the problem.

The last elections in Gaza which Hamas won was in 2005 since then they have stopped any further elections. That said on recent estimates more than 50% do support Hamas and that figure is probably now higher after the attacks.

Also 50% of Palestinians in Gaza are under 18 so are more easily influenced and attracted to the militant gun culture of Hamas rather than the dull necessities of nation building (water, health care, power, education etc).

Lastly in the Hamas dictatorship any Palestinians openly critcising or trying to form a political alternative to Hamas doesn't last very long.

So my guess is that most people in Gaza do support Hamas and those that don't keep quiet about it.

Eggyandbread
Read my words...

can't see how starving innocent people and depriving them of water, food and medical supplies can ever be justified. It will also harden attitudes and cause more hatred. The actions of hamas were indefensible but vengeance in the form described is not the answer.

I do say that Hamas actions are indefensible. This means they cannot be defended.

However this does not mean that anything Israel does for revenge is OK. Depriving civilians of water, food and medicine is indefensible.

I am still baffled at how this means I am picking a side. Please explain why a siege is the right thing for Israel to do.

It's hard to measure @TokyoSushi . Polls taken to gauge support have centered around who is best suited to lead, Hamas or Abbas/Fatah. Support is higher in Gaza than the west bank, the two combined sees the percentage who see Hamas as the better placed party to lead at 50%. I'm sure currently it's higher than that, given responses to that question weight more heavily when conflict is intense. I'd argue the wrong question is being asked though and true support of Hamas is lower than that poll suggests.

Generally though, and based purely on the people I know and anecdotes from the people I worked with still active in the region, Gazans would most likely support the party they see as having the best chance to secure freedom, right of return and rights. There are few options for them in those terms. When Hamas were initially voted in their charter at the time was very clear in terms of Israel and their aims. Now many of the people in Gaza weren't even alive then, and are paying the price regardless.

Only Israel is indefensible? That's picking a side. In what way is stopping food actually worse than door-to-door murder and kidnapping?

We don't have the answer, if we did, it wouldn't be going on since before any of us were born

They can't eave because there are only 2 ways to leave. Israel, where they can't go and the Egypt border, which has been bombed as Palestinians were trying to flee.

You've been deleted for addressing the "situation" they can not go anywhere because you falsely claimed it is because no one wants them because whisper you get me wink wink .

Eggybread
I am sorry but you seem to be cherry picking my words which is very unfair and pretty ridiculous. If you don't have a sensible response don't bother.

I said Hamas actions were indefensible. I said that clearly and in each post. Why are you choosing to ignore this?

Palestinians have long been dehumanised, so it’s not surprising people no longer see them.

Everyone on the ‘wrong side’ is HAMAS or harbouring HAMAS so deserve to die. Branding them all terrorists legitimises the atrocities committed against them.

@BigBillyButterBollocks

"They can't eave because there are only 2 ways to leave. Israel, where they can't go and the Egypt border, which has been bombed as Palestinians were trying to flee."

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Actually the border crossing between Egypt and Gaza has been heavily restricted for over ten years because terrorists were using Gaza as a base to attack Egyptians in Northern Sinai.

Sound familiar?

However there doesn't seem to be anyone criticising the Egyptians for this.

I don't have the full data in order to analyse the information given in the video. I wanted people to know that the source of the video is far right and PragerU promote far right propaganda so people shouldn't take it at face value.

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Tell us why? Instead of implying things...

Try taking an educated guess 🤣

@flufferknutter

"I don't have the full data in order to analyse the information given in the video. I wanted people to know that the source of the video is far right and PragerU promote far right propaganda so people shouldn't take it at face value."

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OK let's unpack this.

You don't have the data to say that the information in the video is correct or not which is fair enough as the only ones holding that real data is Hamas and they are unlikely to respond to a freedom of information request.

However because the source of the information is right wing then people should be aware of this and view it as propaganda and not taken as face value on the grounds that it is right wing.

Does this then mean that left wing sources of information are accurate and truthful that can be taken as face value on the grounds that it is left wing?

A cowardly as well as ignorant post. Quite the combination.