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To be against the attacks on Palestine

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Threemangoes · 11/10/2023 13:42

What happened in Israel was horrific by Hamas. But why are Palestinians being restricted, bombed, dehydrated and deprived of basic needs because of terrorists? Why is the world supporting Israel commiting war crimes?

Hamas are sick fucks to kill innocents. But it's like history repeating again. 9/11 caused millions of Iraqis killed for what?

Have we learned nothing from the past???

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rinbaud · 11/10/2023 18:48

iamenougheveryday · 11/10/2023 18:36

Any BBC video is bullshit. No one is more antisemetic than the BBC.

I don't think you realize how ridiculous that makes you sound.

iamenougheveryday · 11/10/2023 18:48

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iamenougheveryday · 11/10/2023 18:50

rinbaud · 11/10/2023 18:48

I don't think you realize how ridiculous that makes you sound.

Or it is simply the truth! They have always supported Gaza and ignore Israel. Even now on their home page. Right now, right at this second Gaza is firing rockets into Israel. Does the BBC ever report this?

HoldOnMiGenna · 11/10/2023 18:50

For the poster who said to that Israel wants to wipe Palestine off of the map...
You are a dunce, aren't you? You cannot be unaware that the credo of the majority of the Middle East and too many Muslims is to wipe Israel off of the map.
The anti Semitism of too many Middle Eastern and other Muslims is actually endorsed by the Quaran.
It would exist without the inception of modern Israel.
Go learn some world politick and come off of here with your Simple Simon rhetoric.
The DARVO that I have seen from the pro Palestine supporters on these threads and the cowardly "the Hamas attack was by Israeli instigation" bollocks tells me that social media learning has got the best of too many.
As for the holding of Israel to standards that if the UK followed, people would still be bathing once a week in shared bathwater in a tin bath and toothless by thirty....please sit the fuck down , or at least start the debate from a more serious, non clout chasing perspective.
Or just say with your chest that you could give a fuck about Jews and like Hamas, you hide behind 'pro Palestine" in order to finesse your anti Semitism.
In the same way liberal men have found transactivism a safe space to express their misogyny without " looking non progressive".
So much mealy mouthedness and disingenuous as if countries like France and the UK are more superior than Israel for not going after countries whose residents have committed terrorism on this land.....with that being a fucking lie from the pits of hell!
So much bullshit in one space don't make you all retch?
It's as if people think that everybody in the UK suffers from the British "every twenty years forget everything , the better to finesse the British, specifically English Superiority Complex" syndrome that even so many immigrants to this country take up and it's only when they try that shit when they go back home and get hemmed up, their clarity prevails .
I mean.....how dare you think that Israel gives a fuck as to any Typing Tina's protestations as to how she should deal with Hamas after a terroristic incursion that killed not only Israelis, but non citizens?
There is a seriously infantile and narcissistic mentality to so much nowadays " right side of history" pretend hippies.
They have their "bad guys". They have their "good guys". They deal in circular argument, vagueness, debate ending soundbites, forced teaming and when that fails, treacly sentimentalism that their previous splitting way of reasoning renders insincere.
Not everybody is blind to the shit.

duchiebun · 11/10/2023 18:50

Bruh, everybody is always lying and anti semitic, right?

Some people make very legitimate points, I don’t think criticising the Israeli gov is antisemitism. But I don’t understand why people in the UK expect Isreal to respond differently to how the UK does or would?

BigBillyButterBollocks · 11/10/2023 18:50

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"Gaza want the destruction of Israel"

And yet Israel keep on expanding (by stealing and occupying Palestinian territories) and they are busy bombing Gaza to the ground.

Which way would you rather we look while you dehumanize Palestinians

rinbaud · 11/10/2023 18:51

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So not Hamas, not Palestinians but Gaza now. It's a region without agency or opinions

BigBillyButterBollocks · 11/10/2023 18:52

duchiebun · 11/10/2023 18:50

Bruh, everybody is always lying and anti semitic, right?

Some people make very legitimate points, I don’t think criticising the Israeli gov is antisemitism. But I don’t understand why people in the UK expect Isreal to respond differently to how the UK does or would?

We did not invade or muder any civilians in aby other counrry after the last terrorist attacks? Neither did France or Belgium?

iamenougheveryday · 11/10/2023 18:53

During WW2 when Germany would fly over the UK and drop bombs, what did the UK do to the Germans? They flew planes and bombed them right back! Why... because they were at war! Israel and Gaza are at war!

1dayatatime · 11/10/2023 18:53

Well as per my previous post this thread seems to be following the usual Chinese Communist Party / Russian playbook as per below.

We now seem to have moved on from Step 2 Whaboutery and have seamlessly shifted into Step 3 of conspiracy theories for the gullible.

All so very predictable.

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Step 1 - deny it for example the Hamas spokesman yesterday denying any civilian casualties or give me a link or proof to execution of children, it's all lies by the IDF etc then
Step 2 - whataboutery - ahh but what about all those Palestinian civilians killed by Israel over the years or it's the fault of colonialism under the British
Step 3 - conspiracy theories. The Israeli government knew about it and deliberately did nothing. It's all a ploy by the US Government to get their hands on somebody's oil etc etc
Step 4 - once the conspiracy theories have planted a seed of doubt then go back to denial.

ketchup07070 · 11/10/2023 18:53

duchiebun · 11/10/2023 18:50

Bruh, everybody is always lying and anti semitic, right?

Some people make very legitimate points, I don’t think criticising the Israeli gov is antisemitism. But I don’t understand why people in the UK expect Isreal to respond differently to how the UK does or would?

I believe the UK did terrible things in Ireland. As far as I know they did not resort to air strikes on civilian areas and cutting off all food, water, medicine and electricity in response to terrorism.

Flowersfield · 11/10/2023 18:53

@iamenougheveryday has main stream media been filling your head with BS? Do you know anything about their history and why we're here today? Palestinians have wanted nothing but peace; it was the Palestinians that welcomed jewish refugees with open arms (because no other country wanted them) they then in return bit the hand that fed them and have since then been trying to take over their land and ethnically cleanse them. This is an Apartheid. You can't continuously poke a bear and then act shocked and play victim when it decides to retaliate. Research, read, watch documentaries to get the full picture. But don't depend on mainstream media because you sound very ignorant when that is your argument.

Teder · 11/10/2023 18:55

IMustDoMoreExercise · 11/10/2023 14:09

The trouble is that the people in Israel want revenge and that is what the prime minister is going to give them.

Unfortunately, I think that that is going to play into the hands of Iran.

Israel with getting quite friendly with Saudi Arabia which worried Iran.

I really can't see other Muslim countries sitting back and seeing lots of Palestinians killed and doing nothing.

Do you know what the general population in Israel wants? How?

duchiebun · 11/10/2023 18:58

We did not invade or muder any civilians in aby other counrry after the last terrorist attacks? Neither did France or Belgium?

Err, you don’t think we are still reeling from the War on Terror?

Certainly the Manchester bombers argument was they were repaying the West for children’s deaths due to the west intervention on Syria.

I certainly think if any country attacked the UK and killed the same numbers proportional to the Israeli attack & kidnapped hostages then the public would be demanding action.

Teder · 11/10/2023 18:58

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Where has it been confirmed?
Are you aware the attack was on a religious Jewish holiday where those who adhere to the guidelines were without access to phones and TVs and other technology?

fioritura · 11/10/2023 18:59

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In the most respectful way possible - you sound very uneducated about the situation. If you truly believe that the Israeli gov/IOF are not as corrupt as they come then you simply do not know enough or you just do not care because you do not value the lives of Palestinians whatsoever.

rinbaud · 11/10/2023 18:59

1dayatatime · 11/10/2023 18:53

Well as per my previous post this thread seems to be following the usual Chinese Communist Party / Russian playbook as per below.

We now seem to have moved on from Step 2 Whaboutery and have seamlessly shifted into Step 3 of conspiracy theories for the gullible.

All so very predictable.

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Step 1 - deny it for example the Hamas spokesman yesterday denying any civilian casualties or give me a link or proof to execution of children, it's all lies by the IDF etc then
Step 2 - whataboutery - ahh but what about all those Palestinian civilians killed by Israel over the years or it's the fault of colonialism under the British
Step 3 - conspiracy theories. The Israeli government knew about it and deliberately did nothing. It's all a ploy by the US Government to get their hands on somebody's oil etc etc
Step 4 - once the conspiracy theories have planted a seed of doubt then go back to denial.

Commies and Tankies everywhere we must be vigilant !

duchiebun · 11/10/2023 18:59

I believe the UK did terrible things in Ireland. As far as I know they did not resort to air strikes on civilian areas and cutting off all food, water, medicine and electricity in response to terrorism.

well the government killed innocent civilians…

sunshinesupermum · 11/10/2023 18:59

Exactly where do you propose Israel evacuates its citizens LindtisLife? They are bordered on every side by Arab enemies!

ForFriends · 11/10/2023 19:01

I mean.....how dare you think that Israel gives a fuck as to any Typing Tina's protestations as to how she should deal with Hamas after a terroristic incursion that killed not only Israelis, but non citizens?
😂This did make me laugh, thank you.

It is not anti-Semitic to criticise the Israeli government. It is anti-Semitic to do so anti-semitically.

MCOut · 11/10/2023 19:03

It feels like there is an expectation from certain quarters that, because the actions of Hamas have been so evil everyone is now obligated to value Israeli and Jewish lives over and above those of Palestinians. Compassion should not be limited to only one side and none of this can be nor should be discussed in isolation from historical context. Beheading children and dropping bombs on them both ultimately show an equally unacceptable disdain for the sanctity of human life.

Israel has a right to defend itself, but this is not defence. This is retribution and I don’t buy into the narrative that overwhelming violence planned in days is the only path to safety for Israelis. Were this the case the decades of oppression would have already left Hamas toothless.

The US is a disgrace. It should have made the military aid they given over the decades conditional upon protection of the Human Rights of the Palestinian people and proportionate use of force.

rinbaud · 11/10/2023 19:04

sunshinesupermum · 11/10/2023 18:59

Exactly where do you propose Israel evacuates its citizens LindtisLife? They are bordered on every side by Arab enemies!

I'm joking but ...Jewish people would make a great place out of this given half the chance. The foundations have already been laid. Plenty of Russian Israeli citizens to give a kick-start as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

FlowFle · 11/10/2023 19:04

iamenougheveryday · 11/10/2023 18:50

Or it is simply the truth! They have always supported Gaza and ignore Israel. Even now on their home page. Right now, right at this second Gaza is firing rockets into Israel. Does the BBC ever report this?

I mean....yes. they do report that 🤷🏼‍♀️

fioritura · 11/10/2023 19:05

sunshinesupermum · 11/10/2023 18:59

Exactly where do you propose Israel evacuates its citizens LindtisLife? They are bordered on every side by Arab enemies!

Thousands of Israelis have flown “home” out of Ben Gurion when they felt unsafe - they have passports, often more than one. Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are stateless and don’t hold passports, they don’t have sophisticated bunkers or buildings designed to withhold blasts, they have no exit routes. They’re sitting in darkness, with no food or drink, and no communication. Children are dying with no food in their tummies, as heard from the cries of their mothers. Aid trucks from Egypt had to turn around as the IOF threatened to bomb them. They bombed the Rafah border when they told Palestinians to leave through it. Palestinians are awaiting death with nowhere to go, simply for being born the way they were, after suffering decades of oppression and persecution due to their ethnicity.

ChickHenLittle · 11/10/2023 19:05

YANBU, OP. The siege and attack on Gaza is despicable.

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