To be sickened by Hamas

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AIBU to be sickened by what Hamas terrorists have done to innocent Israeli citizens?

I am not totally familiar with the whole Israeli - Palestinian situation. I don’t think anything political can explain what has happened over the last few days.

It is utterly horrendous what Hamas has done. I also think that Hamas are no friend to the Palestinians. They are bringing wrath on them.

I have read that this is the worst attack on innocent Jewish people since the holocaust, which is horrifying.

I am struggling to process these recent events.

What was Israel’s excuse for taking those same homes from Palestinians in 2022 and giving them away to settlers?

Also Hamas started this current crisis. They could save their own civilians by handing back all hostages and surrendering themselves to the Israelis.

Agree

There are no winners in this..innocent people will be killed. Have been killed for decades. Children always suffer. But cutting off food, water and electricity to an area that are mainly young children..are you happy with this? Would you say go ahead, go get them? would you? This is how evil thrives.

some terrorist sympathising nutjobs on here tonight

No I have not lost my mind. I just try to inform myself with as much unbiased evidence as possible.

there is a lot of strong feeling in all sides, which can make seeing a clear picture difficult.

You can stop pretending to be neutral. It's pretty clear that you've had a side from the beginning.

Horrific Islamophobia here and no acknowledgement of how the West allowed and continues to allow Palestinian rights to be trampled over by their Israeli oppressors. Very upsetting.

For Palestinans, Israel is the same as Russia invading Ukraine. But Ukranians are white and Palestinians are brown, so count for nothing. We are seeing much more Islamophobia than antisemitism here.

Of course no babies should ever be killed, and my heart goes out to their parents and families.

Most people don’t know what Israel does on a daily basis to Palestinians, as the Western media don’t show it. But it is truly appalling.

This. Absolutely this.

Notable that those bleating the loudest on this thread demanding posters condemn the actions of Israel can’t bring themselves to condemn the actions of Hamas. Sidestepping the brutality with whataboutery and conflating the actions of the Israeli government with innocent citizens.

Mother my arse. No mother with a shred of common decency or empathy could fail to be sickened by the actions of Hamas. Unless, that is, racism is more important to you.

That is not actually true - most people have acknowledged it but not all.

I don’t recall Ukrainian forces storming into Russia and raping and murdering hundreds of innocent civilians. When did that happen?

I have not called anyone an animal. Also the IDF are not targeting children.

There has been no genocide of Israeli civilians.

Massacres, yes. As there have also been mass killings of Palestinians by the IDF, settlers and vigilante groups in the months and years leading up to this attack by Hamas.

OP, imagine you are making the decisions as to what Israel should do now.

You are in charge.

Would you sanction no electricity, food or water going to the civilians (half of whom are children) and a ground offensive?

Yes or no?

You started this thread, answer the question.

Well said

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Oh I forgot the other standard part of the leftist response to jihadist attacks in the west is much shrieking about islamophobia and racism of course. Also the same as here.

Both sides. Both acting in retaliation. Both sickening. Why isn't it possible in war to have ceasefires where children from both sides who didn't choose to be there, are taken away.

No, it is categorically untrue.

In the past, not having hostages hasn’t saved civilians. Perhaps they thought taking hostages would act to deter Israel from its tendency to indiscriminately bomb Palestinian territory any time any resistance is shown. But so far, I have seen reports that at least seven hostages have been killed by Israeli air strikes.

There it is! This is why I really think antisemitism is being overdiagnosed here although I understand why that is. Some specific criticisms are antisemitic, for sure. Most of it is just the standard playbook applied to Israel because Israel is also classified as a rich, white, western country and muslims are classified as a poor, non-white, oppressed group.

I am responding to as many posts as I can. It is Hamas that have perpetrated the massacre.

I’m not sure what you mean by “gotcha”.

There is huge suffering of innocent people on both sides, including deaths of children on both sides.

The IDF do attack schools and hospitals.

Is Human Rights Watch just making it up then? https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children

Is Amnesty International making it up? https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

Is Save the Children making it up? https://www.savethechildren.net/news/2023-marks-deadliest-year-record-children-occupied-west-bank

No, I think it's just true that Israel kills Palestinian children on a regular basis. And have been doing do for years.

Wow. It's even worse than I thought then.

They have no shame, obviously.

@IslaWinds

"I’m not in support of Hamas other than to correct propaganda like what you are posting which is designed to whip up hatred and dehumanise them."

How is it possible to 'dehumanise' the kind of people who behead babies with spades? Isn't it the other way round? They see Jewish people as not human, in the same way the Nazis did. And if they don't want people to hate them, perhaps you could suggest to them that they stop behaving like evil psychopaths? Go away with your justification for the unjustifiable.