To be sickened by Hamas

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AIBU to be sickened by what Hamas terrorists have done to innocent Israeli citizens?

I am not totally familiar with the whole Israeli - Palestinian situation. I don’t think anything political can explain what has happened over the last few days.

It is utterly horrendous what Hamas has done. I also think that Hamas are no friend to the Palestinians. They are bringing wrath on them.

I have read that this is the worst attack on innocent Jewish people since the holocaust, which is horrifying.

I am struggling to process these recent events.

@ Hawkins 0009
Am I right in believing that at the start of the 20th century, the Palestinian's land was surreptitiously, almost deceptively, being bought by Zionists ( at over the odds prices) from all sorts of people, though quite a sizable proportion of those owners were arab landlords abroad. So that the idea that it was "stolen" is false. Israel has since stolen some land since 1948, but prior to that the aquisition of land was, so to speak, "kosher" . In 1948 the poor palestinian tenatnt simply found themselves with new landlords who evicted them.. is that right ?

Apparently only Israel is allowed to kill innocent children.

“Eventually retaliated”. Have you just come out from under a rock? They’ve been at it for ages and I would say it’s Israel that retaliates and then gets criticised for it. The Israeli leadership does not deliberately target civilians. Hamas do.

Oh, so you must think all the children born into ISIS are “animals” then? Objecting to dehumanising language isn’t being an apologist for terrorism. Every human is a human, even the worst of us. No one is an animal.

Hamas hide and store their weapons and ammunition in Palestinian schools. Instead of being an armchair activist I implore you to take a trip to Gaza and see for yourself. I’m sure you’d fit in with such a sympathetic mindset.

But how would an Israeli official be a neutral, reliable source of what is happening?

He is not going to be neutral and reliable.

He is going to exaggerate what the other side are doing

You are also the reason Palestinian genocide is justified. What a contribution you bring to the world 👏

@Circumferences stop spreading such silliness and educate yourself properly.

Oh, and find some compassion.

@Threemangoes 🙄 what are you even on about? You clearly know very little about what's gone on over the decades. Hamas started this. Israel hasnt been kidnapping innocent families. Get a grip.

But rabbitcar from the comfort of her U.K. abode, keyboard at the ready knows all about what Israel have been doing to Palestinians. ‘Trust me guys!’ Hamas’ attack is totally justifiable!

Just do one, and while you’re at it maybe book yourself a flight to Gaza and Israel. Then perhaps you can make a few comparisons and see what happens in both for yourself.

Right here is the propaganda you are repeating:
All they want is to ethnically cleanse the world of Jews and live their totalitarian dream. And if that takes infinite numbers of martyrs to reach the endgame, the final solution, they're happy to do it.

@Pollyputhekettleon I understand what that means. I used quotes because you've basically lumping everyone who discusses the reasons or possible causes into one political group, which I find inaccurate.

Israel has been murdering Palestinian families for years. You're so ignorant it's mind blowing.

I would take it more seriously than a bunch of articles quoting each other. Saying publicly, as an official that 40 babies were killed and beheaded, if proven wrong later, is huge. Starting rumours in the media that are later discreetly retracted is not the same.

So yes, I would really like to hear an Israeli official confirm the news before we discuss if the whole of Gaza deserve to die (they don't obviously)..

No, what you said doesn't ring true, if by 'leftist' you mean anyone left of Kier Starmer. I know people who are hard hard Left and I don't know anyone who argued the terrorist attack in Manchester was justified, or the actions of the scumbags Hamas was justified.

Plenty of academics, strategists and political analysts aren't surprised the slaughter by Isreal and America on the Arab world breeds terrorism.

The treatment of Catholics by the British bred the IRA, the IRA are scumbags and no-one thought their murders were justifified, but anyone with a brain can hardly be surprised.

And if terrorist was hiding in an Israeli school, would you expect the army to blow up the whole school and all the children in it?

Would you think that was a moral thing to do?

Are some children more valuable than others to you? Are some children’s lives sacrosanct, and others expendable?

It's 2023 and only you are responsible for your ignorance. So I suggest you educate yourself about what is the palestinian open air prison? Why do zionist settlers steal homes of Palestinians? Why do innocent civilians get killed daily in Palestine but not reported?
Who benefits from Hamas? Certainly not Gaza!

@Mooshamoo there is a time and place.

Innocent humans are in captivity with their babies. Can you imagine that? I have young children and I literally can't think of anything scarier. If the children survive, they will likely be scarred for life.

Do you really think this is a good time to start blaming Israeli's when Hamas has attacked them?

You seem very confident to blame Israel and totally ignore what's actually taken place over the past few days and who's instigated it.

Shame on you. You have no humanity.

And no one in their right mind would think it acceptable that the whole of Northern Ireland be bombed in retaliation following terrorist actions of the IRA.

Speaking of the IRA, similar to people on this thread who reject truth and tell lies saying that Israeli soldiers don't regularly terrorise and murder civilians in Palestine, plenty of Brits do the same about civilians, including children, murdered by British soldiers in Northern Ireland.

In fact the government in Britain introduced an amnesty a couple of months ago designed to ensure that none of these soldiers ever face a trial. Not a word about on mumsnet that I could see.

Interesting that.

@Threemangoes why do you keep repeating open air prison?! Have you even been there? Do you have any real links to the middle east? Didn't think so.

Hamas regularly send rockets over to Israel. When I was visiting a few years ago there were sirens. It's regular.

You seem to have a huge pair of rose tinted glasses on.

After what Hamas has pulled these last few days, I'm surprised any of you can write the things you're writing. Innocent people are fearing for their lives. Burying loved ones. Running from their cities.

And all you can do is blame Israel. Honestly, shame on you. I hope you don't ever have to experience fear like they are or, whilst in the midst of terror, come to know there are people criticising you for doing nothing but live your own life.

Who do you actually have an issue with? You realise most Israelis weren't alive or adults when Israel was formed, right?

How would people feel if it was said that the terrorist who killed innocent people at the Arianna Grande concert was doing it because of Western airstrikes on Syria.... this is what many on MN appear to be saying about Hamas and justifying the kidnapped rape and beheading of Israeli people.
The West bombed Iraq, Syria, Libya and yet people wouldn't fall over themselves to excuse or explain away the killing by the Arianna Grande bomber etc etc

Me too. I am very down about the entire conflict. I feel powerless to help and I just want a cease fire so there might be a chance at peace.