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MindfullyAmazedHorse · 2023-10-10T21:08:25+00:00

AIBU to be sickened by what Hamas terrorists have done to innocent Israeli citizens? I am not totally familiar with the whole Israeli - Palestinian situation. I don’t think anything political can explain what has happened over the last few days. It is utterly horrendous what Hamas has done. I also think that Hamas are no friend to the Palestinians. They are bringing wrath on them. I have read that this is the worst attack on innocent Jewish people since the holocaust, which is horrifying. I am struggling to process these recent events.

BigBillyButterBollocks · 11/10/2023 00:41

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Why do people do that? The situation is bad enough that there is no need to make it worst with fantasy drama porn.

Hamas will probably keep the hostages and exchange them... Or at least aim for that.

IslaWinds · 11/10/2023 00:42

soddingspiderseason · 11/10/2023 00:29

There is no "both sides" to the type of extremist Jihadi terrorism that Hamas carry out. There is no equivalence. And any repercussions in Gaza are because Hamas committed these atrocities.

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Hamas committed the atrocities because of attacks done to them by Israel.

This I’m justified to wreak vengeance for the latest attack attitude gets us nowhere towards peace.

It has been a cycle of killing innocents for literally decades.

Pollyputhekettleon · 11/10/2023 00:42

@Hawkins0009 It doesn't help much, no. It reads like some kind of odd diplomat-speak. Can you not just answer the remaining questions directly? There's absolutely no way that the history of antisemitism in Europe would be described in language like this you know.

quiteoldad · 11/10/2023 00:42

@Hawkins0009

At last some light, thank you Hawkins, very good posts. You're an academic?

ketchup07070 · 11/10/2023 00:43

@Sallysallyu That could be very hurtful for someone to read. Can you remove the post?

Threemangoes · 11/10/2023 00:45

Hawkins0009 · 11/10/2023 00:37

Hope this helps

The historical context of the British Mandate in Palestine, the proposals for partition, and the reasons behind Arab opposition are complex. It's important to clarify several historical points:

Proposals for Partition: In the 1930s and 1940s, during the British Mandate for Palestine, there were various proposals and plans for the partition of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states. The most well-known of these is the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, which was approved by the UN General Assembly in 1947.
Arab Opposition: Arab leaders and states, including the Arab Higher Committee, opposed the partition plan and various proposals for partition. They had several reasons for their opposition, including concerns about the displacement of Arab populations and the perceived injustice of dividing Palestine into separate states. They felt that the proposed partition did not adequately consider the rights and interests of the Arab population.
Historical Background: The historical background of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is essential to understanding these dynamics. While it is true that Jewish communities faced discrimination and dhimmitude in various regions under Muslim rule, the history of the conflict is marked by a complex interplay of historical events, including the Zionist movement and the desire for Jewish self-determination.
Religious and Nationalist Views: There were diverse views among Muslim Arabs regarding the land's status and ownership. Some did view it as Islamic land due to its historical conquest by Islam, while others approached the situation from a nationalist and political perspective.
Resolution and Apology: The historical context of the conflict has made it challenging to reach a resolution that addresses the rights, grievances, and aspirations of both Jewish and Palestinian populations. The conflict has deep historical, political, and territorial roots, making it a complex and sensitive issue.
Differing Perspectives: Differing narratives and perspectives on historical events exist on both sides, making the pursuit of reconciliation and peace a challenging endeavor.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is marked by historical grievances, differing interpretations of history, and a complex web of political, national, and religious factors. It's important to recognize that this issue remains a subject of debate and negotiation.

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It's not a conflict if one side has all the power and the other side is locked in an open air prison. It's a genocide. Call it what it is!!!

fillgap10 · 11/10/2023 00:45

Pollyputhekettleon · 11/10/2023 00:35

Yes they absolutely did! I had endless discussions with leftists about this at the time. They responded in precisely the same way they're responding to this - whataboutery, minimizing, justifying, shrieking racism and islamophobia, blaming the west, worrying as loudly as possible about backlash against innocent muslims. Same as their response to every other jihadist attack in Europe.

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I'm fucking sick of every time 'Leftists' being hauled up ( like Labour) as secret supporters of Hamas, when the biggest Anti-Semitism comes from (as it has for forever) from the far right.

Far Right groups which extol the values of Hitler of white Christian supremacy and the 'Jew Problem' is HUGE and is GROWING and this fucking smokescreen of 'leftists' is disturbing.

More Jewish blood has been spilled by Far Right fanatics in the past 100 years than any muslims for fucks sake.

Condemn the true evil of Hamas, but condem all who want the actual destruction of the Jews. No-one I know on the left wants to see Jews erased like Hamas and the far right white supremacists , they are disturbed by US military and the hard right Israeli gov, but they don't want death to Jews like these scum.

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/white-supremacist-leaders-applaud-hamas-and-violence-against-israelis

White Supremacist Leaders Applaud Hamas and Violence Against Israelis

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/white-supremacist-leaders-applaud-hamas-and-violence-against-israelis

Hawkins0009 · 11/10/2023 00:46

quiteoldad · 11/10/2023 00:42

@Hawkins0009

At last some light, thank you Hawkins, very good posts. You're an academic?

i have some training , completed a degree in humanities, just trying to help with the historical context of history, i dont expect all that i write to be fully complete or fully accurate,

CagneyAndLazy · 11/10/2023 00:46

Mmmpomello · 11/10/2023 00:39

Me? Did you actually read what I wrote?

I wish for one minute people would actually read, consider, and value what someone writes, and have the open mindedness to possibly learn from it. Instead people are more interested in arguing with or deliberately misreading people's points.

I literally said that people highlighting FACTS about the situation, e.g. actions that Israel have taken, is not antisemitic. Please give me a proper answer as to why discussing the actions of this country makes me hate Jewish people?

For example, I can highlight my country's actions towards other countries in the past, e.g. colonisation. And I can explore and discuss the implications of this. It doesn't mean I hate the British does it?

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Not sure why you've picked the cap up and stuck it on your own head. If you look at the timeline we both posted at exactly the same time so I couldn't have been responding to you.

BigBillyButterBollocks · 11/10/2023 00:46

This is a hostage of Hamas.

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Atrocities have been committed, obviously, but chances are, Hamas sees the hostage as a safety net and something to exchange. Let's not get all dramatic writing what if insert the worst thing that could happen

Mmmpomello · 11/10/2023 00:47

Really tired of people confusing the raising of opposing points and facts as 'whataboutery, justifying and minimising'.

For me and probably these 'leftists' it is about considering the whole story and why something is happening. Otherwise how can you understand why something is happening and what the solution may be? Surely you see the reason and value in doing that?

I don't see any racism here apart from towards Palestinians. And actually it's perfectly ok to assign some blame to the West/others if they have played a defined role in the political or economic state of a country.

Mooshamoo · 11/10/2023 00:47

I just don't know why everyone is so shocked and upset by this attack .

But no one was really shocked about Israel abusing and killing Palestinians for the last several decades.

Pollyputhekettleon · 11/10/2023 00:48

@Threemangoes I can't believe you managed to get mad at that. The poor individual wrote the most diplomat-speak post I've ever seen!

Mooshamoo · 11/10/2023 00:48

The atrocities that Israel have done to Palestine is a very, very long list.

Threemangoes · 11/10/2023 00:50

Pollyputhekettleon · 11/10/2023 00:48

@Threemangoes I can't believe you managed to get mad at that. The poor individual wrote the most diplomat-speak post I've ever seen!

I wrote facts. What suggests I went mad for that. Truth hurts?

Pollyputhekettleon · 11/10/2023 00:50

Mmmpomello · 11/10/2023 00:47

Really tired of people confusing the raising of opposing points and facts as 'whataboutery, justifying and minimising'.

For me and probably these 'leftists' it is about considering the whole story and why something is happening. Otherwise how can you understand why something is happening and what the solution may be? Surely you see the reason and value in doing that?

I don't see any racism here apart from towards Palestinians. And actually it's perfectly ok to assign some blame to the West/others if they have played a defined role in the political or economic state of a country.

That's probably because you don't understand what i mean by whataboutery or any of the rest of it. I'm very interested in finding the cause of the problems. Not sure why leftists is in scare quotes by the way! They're very real people.

Pollyputhekettleon · 11/10/2023 00:51

Threemangoes · 11/10/2023 00:50

I wrote facts. What suggests I went mad for that. Truth hurts?

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I can't parse this one at all.

BigBillyButterBollocks · 11/10/2023 00:51

I'm sorry to be a pain and ask again, but does anyone have a link to a direct confirmation of the babies being beheaded from an Israeli official? A tweet? Or on Israeli TV?

Mmmpomello · 11/10/2023 00:52

CagneyAndLazy · 11/10/2023 00:46

Not sure why you've picked the cap up and stuck it on your own head. If you look at the timeline we both posted at exactly the same time so I couldn't have been responding to you.

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My mistake, I thought you quoted me!

Pollyputhekettleon · 11/10/2023 00:53

fillgap10 · 11/10/2023 00:45

I'm fucking sick of every time 'Leftists' being hauled up ( like Labour) as secret supporters of Hamas, when the biggest Anti-Semitism comes from (as it has for forever) from the far right.

Far Right groups which extol the values of Hitler of white Christian supremacy and the 'Jew Problem' is HUGE and is GROWING and this fucking smokescreen of 'leftists' is disturbing.

More Jewish blood has been spilled by Far Right fanatics in the past 100 years than any muslims for fucks sake.

Condemn the true evil of Hamas, but condem all who want the actual destruction of the Jews. No-one I know on the left wants to see Jews erased like Hamas and the far right white supremacists , they are disturbed by US military and the hard right Israeli gov, but they don't want death to Jews like these scum.

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/white-supremacist-leaders-applaud-hamas-and-violence-against-israelis

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Is what I said true or is it false? Feel free to just curse some more though. The world can always do with a bit more swearing.

Threemangoes · 11/10/2023 00:53

Pollyputhekettleon · 11/10/2023 00:48

@Threemangoes I can't believe you managed to get mad at that. The poor individual wrote the most diplomat-speak post I've ever seen!

The diplomat speak us what confuses people in the first place. People need to open their eyes and read facts. Look the the harsh reality. No time to sugar coat the truth.
The plaestinian genocide is real. Its happening before our eyes. Please don't "diplomat speak" it!

soddingspiderseason · 11/10/2023 00:53

Mooshamoo · 11/10/2023 00:47

I just don't know why everyone is so shocked and upset by this attack .

But no one was really shocked about Israel abusing and killing Palestinians for the last several decades.

People are shocked and upset because it was committed by Jihadi style extremists. It's an act of pure evil. Trying to defend it or justify it in any way is wrong. Hamas have now shown themselves to be no different to ISIS.

Mooshamoo · 11/10/2023 00:55

soddingspiderseason · 11/10/2023 00:53

People are shocked and upset because it was committed by Jihadi style extremists. It's an act of pure evil. Trying to defend it or justify it in any way is wrong. Hamas have now shown themselves to be no different to ISIS.

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But you do know that Israel have previously done the exact same attacks in Palestine , yes?

Where they killed children.

Mdg247 · 11/10/2023 00:55

Yes edwinbear, these acts are simply ‘ramifications’ and by that regard, do you confirm you deserve to be brutally multilated in response to Britain’s foreign policy in Iraq?

Pollyputhekettleon · 11/10/2023 00:55

Threemangoes · 11/10/2023 00:53

The diplomat speak us what confuses people in the first place. People need to open their eyes and read facts. Look the the harsh reality. No time to sugar coat the truth.
The plaestinian genocide is real. Its happening before our eyes. Please don't "diplomat speak" it!

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It didn't confuse me. He wrote very clearly. If people speaking calmly and clearly upsets you, you're free to ignore them you know.