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Can someone explain how a parent could not invite their child on holiday?

567 replies

Tunisbaby · 09/10/2023 22:16

I just don't get it. How could any parent invite one of their biological children, not the other? How does that thought process go? 'What about... DS1... nah'
I could never ever imagine forgetting to invite my child or thinking about booking one child place and not even giving a second thought to enquiring with the other parent.
I get kid free holidays completely. But choosing to only be a parent to one child for the week when you have a seven year old at home is just bizarre.
Can any parents explain why this is ever thought to be ok?

OP posts:
QueenCoconut · 10/10/2023 19:08

ASGIRC · 10/10/2023 18:16

You not being able to afford it is your problem, really...

Your child does not need to be included in every single holiday your ex goes on.

My mom remarried and my stepdad has 3 kids. Sometimes they went on holiday and only took 1 of us. You are not owed holidays.

One of the most reasonable comments on this thread.

crumblingschools · 10/10/2023 19:21

It would appear from OP that the dad doesn’t prioritise his first son at all. Why any subsequent woman would think he was a prize catch I don’t know, certainly wouldn’t be someone I would like to be with and certainly not someone I would risk having a child with. A shit dad is a right turn off.

yogasaurus · 10/10/2023 19:27

JustAMinutePleass · 10/10/2023 18:50

While it can be different where the man and women have kids. The bitter truth is Men with kids are often low hanging fruit for single women. No single woman would choose them if they had other options (or had the self-esteem to feel like they did).

Do you feel the same about women with kids? That no men would choose them unless they had self-esteem issues?

LorW · 10/10/2023 19:29

From reading your post the holiday isn’t really the issue, it’s because your ex doesn’t prioritise your son at all and he is constantly being pushed aside in favour of the new family which isn’t ok.

Amanda2727 · 10/10/2023 19:40

@Tunisbaby the way I see is if he’s taking one child on holiday he should be taking the other one too. If it’s with his other child or not is irrelevant. My kids dad has another child and kids are not treat the same. Not even close. He barely sees them and frankly can’t be bothered to. Any olive branch I reach out he lets them down. My advice yr child will eventually see how bad his behaviour is.

90sfilm · 10/10/2023 19:43

@Thisismynewusername1 Quote: "I can afford to take both my kids on holiday. It doesn’t stretch to two more children.

his ex takes them on holiday with her new husband.

all the children get a holiday.

So why does “equal” seem to mean two children getting two holidays and two getting one? Or even two getting a holiday and two getting none, because taking four away is too expensive?"

i think your're missing the point. It's not about how many holidays each child gets, it's about a father treating his children differently. Whether the mother can contribute to the price or not is also irrelevant -It's not the child's fault. If the dad cannot afford to take all of his children on holiday then choose somewhere different or don't go. The same way a nuclear family would not take one child away because they could only afford to take one. It clearly sends a message that the child is less worthy. it's treating his own children differently.

Because of dh never being invited on family holidays he has no shared experiences with his half sibling and now that her mum has died and her dad is getting on I can't help but think how sad and wasted it all was. They should have really nurtured that sibling relationship for both dh and his half sister as she's gonna be the only family she has left soon. Instead they chose to prioritise the three of them. Actually referred to themselves as a triangle as it's the strongest shape in the funeral speech in front of his dad's other child 🤨

All that's left is a feeling of resentment and exclusion. So yes, if a nuclear family parent would not take one child and leave another then neither should a dad who had a 'new' family.

notlucreziaborgia · 10/10/2023 19:44

crumblingschools · 10/10/2023 19:21

It would appear from OP that the dad doesn’t prioritise his first son at all. Why any subsequent woman would think he was a prize catch I don’t know, certainly wouldn’t be someone I would like to be with and certainly not someone I would risk having a child with. A shit dad is a right turn off.

Is anyone asking you to?

AnneValentine · 10/10/2023 19:51

Beezknees · 10/10/2023 17:23

Dad doesn't though. He has obligations to all children.

I disagree. Older child will have had holidays without their sibling. Equal doesn’t mean exactly the same.

AnneValentine · 10/10/2023 19:52

yogasaurus · 10/10/2023 19:27

Do you feel the same about women with kids? That no men would choose them unless they had self-esteem issues?

Realistically if you had two potential spouses that were identical save for one of them having kids the one without will be more appealing.

ChristmasCrumpet · 10/10/2023 19:54

Tunisbaby · 10/10/2023 10:47

I just think of all the men who held their first born children in the hospital, looked down at them with such love and devotion. Did they ever in a million years imagine they wouldn't even put their child's name on their Christmas cards (real example) or go to Alton towers and leave them behind? Did they ever imagine they would not advocate for their kids inclusion in family events? Did they ever think they would work overtime on their child's weekend with them, and spend their annual leave going away without them?
It's not like a marriage where people change and grow apart. Essentially the person you divorce is not the person you married, either that or you are not the same. Children don't change. That child you ignore is the same baby you held in the hospital.

I think there's a little bit too much emphasis on your child being the prodigal first born.

He's not going to love his subsequent children less, you seem to expect preference of your child because of a simple appearance earlier on a chronological timescale. There are no medals for that.

When a household separates into two, there will inevitably be things that don't align like a nuclear family. But this can be mitigated very much by the parents. It's very much common sense, and just the way logistics lie, that a child split between two households won't do everything in both. It's down to the parents to make sure the child realises that they have to split their time, and that's ok.

echinaceadreams · 10/10/2023 20:02

Tunisbaby · 09/10/2023 22:24

It's such a kid friendly holiday as well (centre parcs) and it's not something I could afford at the moment

Your inability to afford it is not your ex's problem

echinaceadreams · 10/10/2023 20:12

Tunisbaby · 09/10/2023 23:27

It's not the holiday. Step kids often have four holidays a year. That doesn't make up for having their name written in red pen all over the calendar like an overdue bill, or having to hear hushed irritated conversations about when their due to be dropped back and can they not drop them back earlier before the Chinese takeaway is delivered or before strictly starts or seeing a grandparent they barely know and aren't related to tell them off or very visibly favour their sibling. Holidays don't make up for all that.
This is why I would never get with anyone with kids or who didn't like kids. Being a stepchild is awful for the majority!

We have the DSC on our calendar - is that wrong? It helps us plan. Do you write on yours when they are at their dads?

LolaSmiles · 10/10/2023 20:18

It would appear from OP that the dad doesn’t prioritise his first son at all. Why any subsequent woman would think he was a prize catch I don’t know, certainly wouldn’t be someone I would like to be with and certainly not someone I would risk having a child with. A shit dad is a right turn off.
Agreed. Being a shit parent isn't down to whether the holidays are exactly the same. Being a shit parent is prioritising a new relationship and family unit over existing children and not bothering with some of your children.

This thread got me noticing that people don't seem to mind one child in the new family getting double the holidays (a set with mum and a set with dad) whereas children only from the new relationship get fewer trips (just the one with mum and dad). Sameness only seems to go one way. One child in the blended family gets to go on holiday with their mum without step/half siblings, but the other from the new relationship with dad isn't able to because it must be open invite if dad goes on the trip.

Beezknees · 10/10/2023 20:21

AnneValentine · 10/10/2023 19:51

I disagree. Older child will have had holidays without their sibling. Equal doesn’t mean exactly the same.

That's a really terrible attitude to me. As a parent I'd never think "well my DC has had a holiday with their other parent, I don't have to take them now." I would never go on a holiday with one of my children and not the other.

90sfilm · 10/10/2023 20:23

ChristmasCrumpet · 10/10/2023 19:54

I think there's a little bit too much emphasis on your child being the prodigal first born.

He's not going to love his subsequent children less, you seem to expect preference of your child because of a simple appearance earlier on a chronological timescale. There are no medals for that.

When a household separates into two, there will inevitably be things that don't align like a nuclear family. But this can be mitigated very much by the parents. It's very much common sense, and just the way logistics lie, that a child split between two households won't do everything in both. It's down to the parents to make sure the child realises that they have to split their time, and that's ok.

@ChristmasCrumpet there is no suggestion at all on the op post you have quoted that op wants her child's father to love her child more than his other children.

It's very revealing that posters are changing the ops and others points rather than successfully explaining why it's ok for a father to only invite one of his children on holiday.

90sfilm · 10/10/2023 20:25

echinaceadreams · 10/10/2023 20:02

Your inability to afford it is not your ex's problem

@echinaceadreams or the ex's inability to afford to take all of his children on holiday, is not the excluded child's problem. One sure way to make a child from the 'old' family feel obsolete and replaced.

BCCoach · 10/10/2023 20:26

EVHead · 09/10/2023 22:19

Who are we talking about here?

Boris Johnson?

CaptainJackSparrow85 · 10/10/2023 20:34

Do you feel the same about women with kids? That no men would choose them unless they had self-esteem issues?

Yeah, I think a lot of men see women with kids as low-hanging fruit too. For different reasons.

I also think men are more likely to rule women with kids out of their dating pool, if they can.

crumblingschools · 10/10/2023 20:37

@notlucreziaborgia its a bloody low bar though

ChickenT2b · 10/10/2023 20:38

Is he taking his other child during time that is usually spent with your child? If so, it’s wrong. If it’s during time that you spend with the child, it’s not wrong. You can’t expect him to not live his and his family’s life when you have the child.
My step children go away with their mum and with us. When we have a child of our own, we will take them all away together and we will also go away with our future child when they are with their mum. They spend two weeks with her over summer, we wouldn’t just sit around waiting for them to come back.
I also doubt that you offer to take your child’s step sibling on holiday with you.

AnneValentine · 10/10/2023 20:39

Beezknees · 10/10/2023 20:21

That's a really terrible attitude to me. As a parent I'd never think "well my DC has had a holiday with their other parent, I don't have to take them now." I would never go on a holiday with one of my children and not the other.

That isn’t what I said though is it.

notlucreziaborgia · 10/10/2023 20:46

crumblingschools · 10/10/2023 20:37

@notlucreziaborgia its a bloody low bar though

Okay 🤷🏻‍♀️ still not something that’s being asked of you.

90sfilm · 10/10/2023 20:51

Beezknees · 10/10/2023 20:21

That's a really terrible attitude to me. As a parent I'd never think "well my DC has had a holiday with their other parent, I don't have to take them now." I would never go on a holiday with one of my children and not the other.

@Beezknees Agree. The whole point is that as a parent you want to spend time on holiday with your children no matter which relationship they're from as you love them equally and you're not some self serving arse who would exclude one of your children so as not to miss out yourself and to save some money.

Terfosaurus · 10/10/2023 20:57

90sfilm · 10/10/2023 20:25

@echinaceadreams or the ex's inability to afford to take all of his children on holiday, is not the excluded child's problem. One sure way to make a child from the 'old' family feel obsolete and replaced.

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Quite.

Beezknees · 10/10/2023 20:58

90sfilm · 10/10/2023 20:51

@Beezknees Agree. The whole point is that as a parent you want to spend time on holiday with your children no matter which relationship they're from as you love them equally and you're not some self serving arse who would exclude one of your children so as not to miss out yourself and to save some money.

Exactly this. It's not about tit for tat and children having to have the exact same number of holidays. It's about, as a parent, wanting to experience these things with your children, and for your child to have these experiences with you. I just don't get how anyone could be comfortable going on holidays with one child and never with the other.