Collective Punishment - No water, no food, no medicines

[Lieblingsessen]

I do not condone whatsoever what the Hamas attacks on civilians in Israel or their ideology

But surely, Israel laying siege to Gaza, preventing innocent civilians from accessing water, food, medicines, electricity for hospital equipment, is not justifiable. To collectively punish civilians who have no control over what Hamas or their government does. This is medieval.

Where is the outcry on the mainstream media about this? Surely it is not being anti-semitic to call out Israel, that retaliation is not unexpected, but collective punishment is horrendous.

There's only one route to leave and that is into Egypt at Rafah - earlier today Reuters reported large groups of people in Gaza moving towards Rafah after the border was re-opened following Israeli bombing yesterday

Guardian is now reporting bombardment of route between Gaza and Egyptian border

So seems like 'asking people to leave' is very dangerous and currently not possible

Israel good at Apartheid though!

We also know what is about to happen in Gaza. We know.

Sky News@SkyNews
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18m BREAKING: Hamas's armed wing has warned residents of the major Israeli city of Ashkelon to leave before 5pm

Does this mean more bombing?

No one deserves fear.

No one deserves attrocities, persecution and living in fear.

I disagree that Palestinians do not want peace or freedom.

I believe that an Israelí and Palestinians would want peace and freedom. Noone should have superiority.
Noone should have homelands stolen, rations on food and water.

A peace agreement needs to be impartial and fair.

A fair peace agreement should not be feared.

That's exactly what most of these posters think Jews deserve.

Make no mistake, they don't really give a shit about the suffering of the Palestinian people, as evidenced by their willingness to turn a blind eye to the suffering of the people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc., caused by their own governments.

This is just a golden opportunity for them to let loose their true antisemitism without fear of being challenged on it and one they can't resist taking.

Hamas asked to swap some of the Israeli hostages for 36 female Palestinian prisoners, in return for Israel stopping bombing civilian areas. Gaza has already had 11 medical centres destroyed. I saw this in the news, may see if I can find the headlines for anyone interested in developing events.

I am so glad Guterres said what he said. I am actually surprised! I mean, anyone with any knowledge of the conflict knows what he said is the only truth, I am still surprised.

I can see that the people who were hoping to see the blood of these Palestinian "animals" to flow are not very happy. Oh well, tough luck. The world just can't stay silent.

I’m not sure they sound naive, they sound impacted in a way many of us are not

@AUserNameIsNot I’d be interested in your view

I strongly refute what you say here.

I'm actually Ukrainian so you lost me at the point of accusing me of "russian gaslighting". I will not repeat what I usually say to people suggesting I'm russian anything.

This is just a golden opportunity for them to let loose their true antisemitism without fear of being challenged on it and one they can't resist taking.

@Thebestwaytoscareatory

This sort of comment is so manipulative and unhelpful.

Imagine if someone told you that you were actually only outraged by the Hamas attacks because you were looking for an excuse to indulge your latent Islamophobia. You would be rightly incensed.

Maybe this could go the way of Daesh (for better) and maybe it could go the way of Saddam (for worse). Maybe there's an inevitable ebb and flow of conflicts. Certainty in the future is not a luxury any of us have.

We do have certainty in the present. And of this I am certain: the government of Hamas is intolerable to us and we will not tolerate it.

There are 57 member states of the UN which are Moslem majority countries and there is one Jewish country. As I said before, we've never done well in popularity contests amongst the Gentiles, and we don't regard the UN as a fair forum.

I read the statements of Quatari negotiations, yes. Which is (presumably) what you meant.

We should also consider that Hamas has openly threatened to murder the hostages (yet again, toddlers, children, women).

Seeing as Israel will not murder the 36 female Palestinian prisoners (which happens to be the sum total of female Palestinian prisoners AFAIK) or parade them around half naked (to use a few examples) there is a clear asymmetry in negotiation power in regards to the hostages.

"Or what would you tell a young father whose wife and two children were taken hostage?"

The same you tell a Palestinian father whose son has been kidnapped by Israeli terrorists and burned alive? The same you tell a Palestinain mother whose 14 years old daughter has been arrested by the Israeli army because a settler saud they saw her holding a knife, even if no knife is found on her?

"It's horrifying but it doesn't justify a mass killing of innocent civilians"?

Which is more than the silence Palestinians have been met with for decades..

The false equivalence between Ukraine and Palestine also really annoys me recently, but it seems to be the flavour of the day in the left-wing media.

There are less than 200 Palestinian minors (in total) currently incarcerated in Israel according to Quatari newsoutlet Al Jazeera. Most of them are over 15, btw.

You have previously posted a video by AJ+, I will therefore assume that you find them reliable.

Israel has NOT threatened to murder these children. Hamas however has threatened to murder the civilian hostages they took (and publically mistreat).

It is therefore not the same. And I won´t waste my time on a made up scenario where Israel threatens to murder the less than 200 Palestinian children in Israeli custody. I generally try to avoid arguing against fantasy scenarios.

You are so wrong its breathtaking.
And its not friendly at all, its dangerously wrong.

Didn't Russia do exactly that to Ukrainians in Mariupol?

We are witnessing a stain on human history happening live.

It means they are mirroring Israel's words. Trying to make a point (a terrible point they shouldn't be making).

But at this point, it's clear everybody in Gaza is gonna get killed so I don't think they care very much

There are aerial photos of the road to Rafah now showing chunks of it missing - so no evacuation by vehicle or easily bringing in emergency aid

Jewish soldiers raping Palestinian women as an act of war

https://www.jordantimes.com/opinion/ramzy-baroud/untold-story-abuse-palestinian-women-hebron

Or... the UN can see Israel is in the wrong here.

But anyone who speaks up against the government actions is antisemitic, tehy're lying. They are just against Israel.

Should the Muslim nations of UN not have a vote on that one and see what the others think? (It will be the same. NO ONE is going to publicly associate themselves with the atrocities happening right now in Gaza and those everybody knows are about to happen. No one. )

How is it wrong?