Collective Punishment - No water, no food, no medicines

[Lieblingsessen]

I do not condone whatsoever what the Hamas attacks on civilians in Israel or their ideology

But surely, Israel laying siege to Gaza, preventing innocent civilians from accessing water, food, medicines, electricity for hospital equipment, is not justifiable. To collectively punish civilians who have no control over what Hamas or their government does. This is medieval.

Where is the outcry on the mainstream media about this? Surely it is not being anti-semitic to call out Israel, that retaliation is not unexpected, but collective punishment is horrendous.

Thank you for summarising exactly what Israhell has been doing and will continue to do to the Palestinians.

Rubbish.

It did take seventy years to settle even after the occupation of the South ended. Thousands had to die. Depressing.

I've just read a BBC article which put everything in perspective for me. It was about a UK surgeon who is in Gaza for charitable, humanitarian life-saving (transplant) operations. He's there because the lack of medical intervention due to constant blockades (even before this latest escalation) mean these patients don't have much chance otherwise. He was reported as saying it all feels pretty meaningless to save five lives with transplants when Israeli air strikes are killing hundreds. Imagine saving lives and thinking "it's all for nothing".

What Hamas did was an atrocity. The reports that came out of that music festival are heartbreaking and enraging. Unforgivable.

What Israel has done in retaliation achieves nothing more than perpetuating the cycle of poverty, anger and the killing of innocent people.

I completely agree the occupation of the West Bank by deluded Jewish fanatics (many from England by the way) is shameful. I would vote for parties which will end the occupation. I've spoken vocally against it. There's nothing else I can do.

The occupation does not excuse the massacre this Saturday and the massacre this Saturday does not excuse the occupation.

I wouldn’t post this to a pp who has stated they are Jewish

for those defendeing the siege
ISRAEL'S SIEGE IS ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW

World Health Organization joins calls for humanitarian corridor into GazaFollowing Israel cutting off supplies of fuel, electricity and water to the Gaza Strip, the World Health Organization has joined Unicef in calling for a humanitarian corridor into the territory.
And the UN human rights chief Volker Türk - while condemning the Hamas attacks - said that Israel's siege is illegal under international law.

Latest from BBC news

Have you heard yourself?

When they are dead, they are dead?

Until the next generation grows up. Or will you prevent that by killing them all when they are children? What about their parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, neighbours, grandchildren even?

As for the poster who takes issue with OP's username - in that well known MN phrase Are you on glue?

Well, kind of.

The Republic basically fought each other, so Pro-Treaty IRA v Anti-Treaty IRA in 1920s. Pro were backed by the UK who'd defeated Collins' IRA which split as above. That conflict didn't last long, really.

No major conflict until 1969-2007 which ended in ideological defeat across the board of Irish Republicanism.

Like I said, nowhere near the same as yours.

Defeating Daesh did not perpetuate any cycle.

I reject the determinism here. Nothing made Palestinian men rape and murder in Saturday, and for that matter there's no excuse at all for the settlers who burnt down the Dawasabeh house. You cannot work with fanatics of any side.

On the one-state solution idea - Israel would never tolerate this unless the numbers of Muslims were very small. They cannot do it with substantial Muslim numbers, which is what would happen if the Palestinian diaspora were given the right to return. Why? Because the whole idea of Israel is that it is a Jewish homeland. Palestinians reproduce more that Israelis do, so their numbers would grow faster too. If the country ever became majority Muslim it would no longer be a Jewish country, which is the entire purpose of it.

That's why Israel is faced with either allowing a Palestinian country to exist next to it (with the bulk of the Muslims in) or keeping control of the Palestinian territories but slowing genociding them at the same time. They are going for the control + genocide route with an eventual goal of a 1 state solution with a tiny Muslim community of ones they can't get rid of. Many of us think a 2 state solution is better than this, but these people are constantly told they are at risk of another holocaust so they are willing to go along with all sorts of brutality to cement their power.

I had reports from my friends that oppose the Israeli regime on these threads are actively having their accounts shut down by mn.

Is this also happening to the anti-palestians who view them as animals to be exterminated?

Would you like a sit down heart to heart kumbya session with Jihadi John and his Caliphate to convince them of the error of their ways?

There's no doubt that political grievances fuel terrorism. When terrorists take over a state the results are so intolerable that war is the inevitable and natural and often decisive result.

I'm talking about how this has gone throughout history, decades of the same problems, the same responses, failed interventions.

Israhell is the mother of war crimes and terrorism. They can’t and won’t be topped. Here’s your trophy 🏆

If we are trying genocide (we aren't), we aren't very good at it are we?

We need two states living side by side.

Correct. For the last twenty years the policy in Gaza has been bombarding from afar and the failed doctrine of deterrence.

The paradigm has changed and we are ready for a decisive ground battle even if it means accepting grievous losses. We aren't seeking to deter Hamas. We are seeking to overthrow them.

I think in the future people will back at this like the way they look back at other scandal that were in the public eye but never dealt with.

We often ask, if everyone knew about R.Kelly, Jimmy Saville ect, why was nothing done about it?

We know that what Israel is doing is illegal, has been illegal and will be illegal but is anything getting done? No

And what then? Not being goady, genuinely interested in your views.

It's a shame for the people he says he committed war crimes against that this chap's pangs of conscience only kicked in after he finished his bombing career and shortly before his speaking career. Nevertheless, I take your point and I'm not claiming by any means that Israel is innocent of all wrong doing. Far from it. The occupation shames the world.

None of this provides any need to rape or kill teenagers at a music festival.

A decisive ground battle consisting mainly of civilians who can't defend themselves.
Although Netanyahu should be dragged in front of the courts for his war crimes before he commits any more, a blind eye will be turned and what we'll see is genocide in Gaza. It's absolutely sickening.

Ideally hand over to the Palestinian Authority or Egypt, and throw lots of money into redeveloping. But we cannot force other governments to step up.

They know that, they just don't care. So much of Israel's actions over time have been condemned as illegal and war crimes.

They. Don't. Care.

There is always rape in war, Israelis have admitted to raping Palestians. That doesn't justify what happend but both sides can claim the same from the other.

This sums it up.