Collective Punishment - No water, no food, no medicines

[Lieblingsessen]

I do not condone whatsoever what the Hamas attacks on civilians in Israel or their ideology

But surely, Israel laying siege to Gaza, preventing innocent civilians from accessing water, food, medicines, electricity for hospital equipment, is not justifiable. To collectively punish civilians who have no control over what Hamas or their government does. This is medieval.

Where is the outcry on the mainstream media about this? Surely it is not being anti-semitic to call out Israel, that retaliation is not unexpected, but collective punishment is horrendous.

A placard calling for a unified state with equal rights?

That shows the group or individual in London has no real understanding of the views of the people there, to be honest.

Support for a unified State in the sense of equal rights is lower than other options, including the two State solution. Its called one democratic State in the bar charts.

Further proof that most Western protesters don't understand the highly complicated conflict and that they keep on putting a Western understanding onto a population who aren't themselves Westerners.

I am, though I don’t need you to believe me. I just emailed today another non-Jewish colleague whose Israeli wife is really struggling. My daughter asked me for advice yesterday at university as her Jewish flatmate is freaking out due to her cousins doing national service right now and leaning on my daughter for support. I know lots of Jewish people due to where we live so it’s actually very offensive to say I have ‘Jew-hatred’. My thoughts are with them.

I am confused by your stance. As you have given ‘thanks’ to two of my posts where I express my heartfelt horror at Hamas and sympathise with the poor Israelis affected by the atrocities visited upon them by Hamas. Yet you call me a ‘terrorist apologist’. That doesn’t make sense. Maybe you should apologise for that?

Perhaps you simply cannot relate to how many people can feel both for Palestinian and Israeli victims at the same time, I don’t know?

*The lives of poor brown people are worth less than white ones. It has always been the case and always will.

If only there was a word we could throw around when people speak against the brown people of Palestine…*

Did you know that there are North African, Indian, and Ethiopian Jews living in Israel?

Oops bold fail

I'm not an expert, but certainly, historically Poles have suffered at the hands of the Ukrainians- certainly during WW2. But I guess they have managed to move on.

To all the Palestinian posters with family and friends or just coreligionists who will be seeing the airstrikes and the victims being pulled out lifeless from the rubble. This must be heart breaking for you.

I know it won't help but it is never our air force's intention to kill civilians; however I accept these deaths are an inevitable result of our chosen approach to risk.

We are doing this for our own security and freedom and for our children.

We have more allies, a bigger army, better weapons, a better developed industrial base, and more ammunition, and we have no intention of abandoning those advantages and 'fighting fairly' without air support and artillery support, against prepared defences and tunnels. Many of the 30-35 year old reservists, the fathers of young children, will be fighting within Gaza in the next few weeks and we want them to come back home to their families alive and well. Frankly, their safety will be prioritised to the extent possible over the safety of the local residents.

We will fight in accordance with the rules and customs of war.

There is no point apologising and indeed it is insulting to do so, because we are going to carry on doing this until Hamas is removed from government, even if we lose thousands of our own in the process. Unfortunately it really is likely going to get much, much worse. I take zero pleasure in that prospect.

Please don't take out your anger on Jews in the UK. It doesn't help the Palestinian people.

Seeing the rhetoric on social media, I feel uncomfortable with supporters of both sides. From what I've seen, both sides are barbaric.

People are people.
Yesterday's terrorists are today's democratic gvt if they win. Like in S. Africa, or Egypt (Nasser).
I understand the outrage among Israeli Jews.
But vengeance is not the answer.
Just like It Wasn't The Answer to 9/11.

THINK. HAVE EMPATHY. TALK. FIND A SOLUTION. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MILLENIA.

OP I think it is distasteful that you have chosen a German user name in a post like this. It is incendiary given Germany’s history with the Jews. So whatever you are going to say will be clouded by that ab initio.

War is barbaric but even war has rules. Hamas broke those rules when they gunned down our teens and raped our girls.

We will not put up with this.

The meek really do not inherit the Earth.

HermioneWeasley · Yesterday 19:58
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Palestinians have been cheering on Hamas and handing out sweets to celebrate. Perhaps not all of them, but it’s not Hamas acting against the will of the people”

I didn’t see any women and just a few (male) children (who would have had little choice) in those reports.
The siege response is medieval. As Jeremy Bowen reported last night, Hamas will have expected this response and prepared themselves accordingly. (If they’re even still in Gaza at all). It’s civilians who will pay.

Its devastating on both sides.

Like I said, you are as bad as each other.

Abandon your delusions of exceptionalism.

There is point talking with Da'esh or al Quaeda or Hamas. They seek our annihilation.

They don't respect anything; not even military force. The difference is that military force doesn't respect them. However fanatical they are, when they are dead, they are dead.

yep, even from my fairly limited understanding of the history of hate and horror, I can't see a unified state with whatever supposed guarantees given. But it was I stress only one banner. No idea who those folks were.

Well, I disagree with your both side-ism but even you must concede this:-

Our army is bigger and stronger than theirs.

If both sides are as bad as each other - however you would enumerate that - we still are heavily incentivised to see this affair through to its logical conclusion.

True. I have spoken to lots of jewish who don’t believe in zionism and barbarism.

https://youtube.com/shorts/zS9CI0QAzYQ?si=vU768kj8P0Hadwiq

That would be nice.

The court system works because the state is more powerful than either parent. It doesn't matter if either parent agrees with the judge or not, because the judge's decision is enforced by the power of the state.

When the parents are more powerful than the judge, there is an insurmountable enforcement problem.

That's why international law is a fallacy. The best I can hope for is individual and corporate human decency.

what about UN rulings on illegal occupations? As a respecter of rules you support those?

"Logical conclusion" sounds unsettlingly close to a 'final solution'.

Have a word with yourself.

The Irish had a messy divorce they're still not entirely happy with from the UK. But they didn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

I sincerely hope a Palestinian state can be formed from Palestinian territories which, even if it's not everything Palestinians hoped for, or believe they be are entitled to, provides a lasting basis for sustained peace.

Would you split your assets with the burglar who raided your house, asked to be your housemate then now thinks you should stay in the shed? And of course he should be monitoring your every single move and can stop you bringing food if he likes?

War is unsettling but does have a logic.

Don't tell Jews they are Nazis.

I'm against the occupation, yes. I hope to see a Palestinian state set up and the settlements evacuated.

I'm not much in favour of the UN - Jews have never won popularity contests amongst Gentiles.

No, our conflict in Northern Ireland is NOT anywhere close to the same as yours. Nowhere near.

Republicans rejected in the 1920s what they would come to accept in the 1990s once Irish Republicanism was ideologically defeated in the form of PIRA. You will note PIRA got none of their long held key core demands in the Belfast Agreement.

Ours is not a good substitute for yours.

That's usual for Iran, go in the back door and make others fight your fight. Egg Hamas on, give them weapons of war and then sit and watch, and wait for your next opportunity.