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It’s marshmAllow not marshmEllow

174 replies

MardyBra · 03/10/2023 22:52

I’m looking at you Alison Hammond. FFS.

OP posts:
junbean · 05/10/2023 01:22

WanderingWitches · 05/10/2023 01:04

From Lancashire and say marshmellow and lickerish
That's just what my mum called them

Wait, how else would you pronounce licorice though?

WanderingWitches · 05/10/2023 01:23

junbean · 05/10/2023 01:22

Wait, how else would you pronounce licorice though?

I think some people say lickeriss

junbean · 05/10/2023 01:26

WanderingWitches · 05/10/2023 01:23

I think some people say lickeriss

That's adorable! Honestly I love accents and regional quirks, we should embrace it more.

WanderingWitches · 05/10/2023 01:28

junbean · 05/10/2023 01:26

That's adorable! Honestly I love accents and regional quirks, we should embrace it more.

So do I!
Lots of people get really angry over what is supposedly correct. I just enjoy reading the different ways people say things. It's fascinating.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 05/10/2023 02:51

It's a regional thing. Alison Hammond is from Brum. I grew up in the Midlands and everyone I know says Marshmellow ( but I do know how to spell it 🙂).

mathanxiety · 05/10/2023 05:45

YY to the gnashing of teeth over 'marshmellow'; see also 'Hollowe'en'.

mathanxiety · 05/10/2023 06:04

5YearsLeft · 04/10/2023 08:53

OP, it’s about to get a whole lot more serious. (SO glad you didn’t tag this lighthearted, so that we can give it the SERIOUS philosophical treatment it deserves). This is the moment I would fly through the air shooting both guns and yelling, “Shit just got real,” if we were in Hot Fuzz.

According to Wikipedia, the US and UK pronounce it… DIFFERENTLY. So whoever blamed the Americans on page 1 was dismissed too quickly.

Apparently the UK pronunciation is: /mɑːrʃˈmæloʊ/ and æ is like the A in trap. The US pronunciation is one of these two: /ˈmɑːrʃmɛloʊ, -mæl-/ with ɛ being the same as the E in dress, whereas mæl is obviously pronouncing it the same as the UK way.

So… yes? It came from America?

Not so fast!

The American A sound isn't the same as the American E sound. In fact, in some American accents the E is pronounced as an I sound - Ellenois for Illinois, for instance. American As are similar to the E sound in 'heavy'.

It's possible the mispronunciation 'mellow' comes from people imitating American pronunciation of the letter A badly.

anareen · 05/10/2023 06:13

BaronessBomburst · 04/10/2023 09:57

I see your marshmellow and raise you 'March-Mellow' as once seen at a Dutch ice-cream parlour. I did wonder if they were laced with weed but then you'd wander rather than march......

🤣

Tessisme · 05/10/2023 06:29

It's possible the mispronunciation 'mellow' comes from people imitating American pronunciation of the letter A badly.

This is my thinking too, but I couldn't think of a way to put it so succinctly!

5YearsLeft · 05/10/2023 07:07

@mathanxiety Ah, i wasn’t clear enough. These aren’t my personal feelings about a delicate matter. It’s the sanctity of the Wikipedia pronunciation guide. I meant that if you pull up the Wikipedia guide of how to read the pronunciation symbols, it says the first pronunciation version “ae” should be pronounced as A in trap, and the second version should be pronounced as the E in dress. So it’s not my opinions (I wouldn’t trust my opinions!). It’s the actual pronunciation guide on Wikipedia that tells you how to pronounce every word on the site, by telling you what all those symbols mean.

5YearsLeft · 05/10/2023 07:09

@mathanxiety Sigh. That should say, “I wasn’t clear enough, sorry.” Apparently exhaustion is making me forget my manners.

BatshitCrazyWoman · 05/10/2023 07:25

I'm from the south east, and say mallow. Like the plant. I don't say it a lot, to be honest! I've not seen Bake Off yet, but will brace myself, as it will irritate me if it's being pronounced 'mellow'.

Pushkinini · 05/10/2023 07:35

I'm from SE originally and now in the SW. I've never heard anyone call it marshmellow. Marshmallow in this household.

My pet peeve is schedule, pronounced skedule.

Seymour5 · 05/10/2023 07:40

Its mAllow. Scot here in the North of England, I’ve heard both. But only one is right. 😉 It’ll be sconn v scown again on Bake Off! And of course its sconn.

Sayitaintso33 · 05/10/2023 19:25

Marshmallow is an ugly word so I'm changing to marshmellow - sounds so much tastier.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/10/2023 19:27

Sayitaintso33 · 05/10/2023 19:25

Marshmallow is an ugly word so I'm changing to marshmellow - sounds so much tastier.

Urgh no, mallow sounds much rounder and chewier.Grin

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 05/10/2023 19:36

Could this be an accent thing?

No, it's a being wrong thing!

mackerella · 05/10/2023 20:00

LifeofBrienne · 04/10/2023 08:01

I’ve never heard marshmellow (London), always mallow.
But sorry, @Stroopwaffels I’ve also never heard anyone pronounce liquorice lickeriss - and it’s sh here: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/pronunciation/english/liquorice

What's up with people claiming that dictionaries say things that they clearly don't? Confused

The very first entry (UK) in that link says that it's pronounced as "lickeriss"!

And you may not personally have heard anybody pronounce it like that, but that's how I (and all my family and most of my friends) say it in SE England.

mackerella · 05/10/2023 20:00

Also #TeamMarshmallow!

DeathRattleDazzle · 07/10/2023 07:26

Maybe this has been covered but what about the toys Squishmallows. Are people calling them Squishmellows?

inigomontoyahwillcox · 07/10/2023 07:41

I've found my people. Of COURSE that at MarshmAllow, but 99.9% of people I've heard staying it say mEllow. It's ridiculous, where the hell did the E come from?

WhatapityWapiti · 07/10/2023 09:33

I have noticed another example of this phenomenon.

The presenter of the BBC Radio 4 Today programme- MishAL Husain. Not “Michelle”.
Yet a surprising number of guests whom you would think would know better insist on calling her “Michelle”. I could have sworn that James Naughtie, of all people, did it on Friday.

My theory is this:

  1. Some people think her name is Michelle, written and spoken.
  2. some people think she spells her name Mishal but pronounces it Michelle
  3. Some people are trying to say “Mishal” but it comes out more of an “e” sound.
All of these could also be applied to “Marshmallow”.
Ducksinthebath · 07/10/2023 10:09

WhatapityWapiti · 07/10/2023 09:33

I have noticed another example of this phenomenon.

The presenter of the BBC Radio 4 Today programme- MishAL Husain. Not “Michelle”.
Yet a surprising number of guests whom you would think would know better insist on calling her “Michelle”. I could have sworn that James Naughtie, of all people, did it on Friday.

My theory is this:

  1. Some people think her name is Michelle, written and spoken.
  2. some people think she spells her name Mishal but pronounces it Michelle
  3. Some people are trying to say “Mishal” but it comes out more of an “e” sound.
All of these could also be applied to “Marshmallow”.

I heard this exact thing the other morning and thought she’s a bigger woman than me. I’d be correcting them every time. Just basic manners to get someone’s name right. No excuse when it’s ministers coming on briefed by a team of staff.

WhatapityWapiti · 07/10/2023 10:28

I actually vaguely know her from University (friend of a friend). She definitely corrected people back then. I guess there is no time for it when working on air to a tight schedule and it would ruin the flow but, as you say, you’d think people would be properly briefed and/or make the effort to check.

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