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It’s marshmAllow not marshmEllow

174 replies

MardyBra · 03/10/2023 22:52

I’m looking at you Alison Hammond. FFS.

OP posts:
Halsall · 04/10/2023 08:06

Thanks, OP, I agree with you. It’s always annoyed me. It’s definitely MALLOW .

Bellaboo01 · 04/10/2023 08:11

Marsh-mellow here too!!

I'm in London and i honestly have never heard it pronounced 'Mallow'.

Oh well we live and learn!

Tessisme · 04/10/2023 08:23

'Marshmellow' irritates me. My youngest says it like that because of the bucket headed person😆

I agree with Scottish poster above about 'licor-iss' pronunciation. No 'ish' for me! But I'm in NI and our pronunciation is very similar.

I appreciate that it's very often a regional thing. Some of our pronunciation in NI is shocking! Anybody want to watch a fillum?

ReviewingTheSituation · 04/10/2023 08:23

It's always annoyed me hearing it pronounced mellow, but I always assumed people who said it that way thought it was spelled (or spelt?!) that way.

Now I'm learning that people know it's spelled with an A but still pronounce it E. Why?! Where is the logic?

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 04/10/2023 08:24

crumblingschools · 04/10/2023 08:03

It does sound closer to that in this example, but the phonetic spelling is still given as mɑːʳʃmæloʊ

æ as in hat.

Fireisland · 04/10/2023 08:30

ReviewingTheSituation · 04/10/2023 08:23

It's always annoyed me hearing it pronounced mellow, but I always assumed people who said it that way thought it was spelled (or spelt?!) that way.

Now I'm learning that people know it's spelled with an A but still pronounce it E. Why?! Where is the logic?

Because that's how it's pronounced.

Do you pronounce any as annie?

Glovesandscarf · 04/10/2023 08:31

My children are Scottish & say Mellow. They are not allowed marshmallows unless I hear it pronounced properly. They are eventually starting to correct themselves.

mn29 · 04/10/2023 08:33

VioletMountainHare · 03/10/2023 23:49

For the past 3 years my classes of 10 year olds have spelled it marshmellow because they see these spellings so often 🙄

I think it’s more likely they’re spelling it marshmEllow because that’s what they hear, rather than an incorrect spelling they’ve regularly seen.

I’ve lived in various parts of England and almost always heard mEllow, (rarely heard it pronounced mAllow) don’t think I’ve ever seen it written with the e though.

Dumbndumber · 04/10/2023 08:38

🤣 I thought I was the only one bothered by this.

5YearsLeft · 04/10/2023 08:53

OP, it’s about to get a whole lot more serious. (SO glad you didn’t tag this lighthearted, so that we can give it the SERIOUS philosophical treatment it deserves). This is the moment I would fly through the air shooting both guns and yelling, “Shit just got real,” if we were in Hot Fuzz.

According to Wikipedia, the US and UK pronounce it… DIFFERENTLY. So whoever blamed the Americans on page 1 was dismissed too quickly.

Apparently the UK pronunciation is: /mɑːrʃˈmæloʊ/ and æ is like the A in trap. The US pronunciation is one of these two: /ˈmɑːrʃmɛloʊ, -mæl-/ with ɛ being the same as the E in dress, whereas mæl is obviously pronouncing it the same as the UK way.

So… yes? It came from America?

ReviewingTheSituation · 04/10/2023 08:54

Fireisland · 04/10/2023 08:30

Because that's how it's pronounced.

Do you pronounce any as annie?

But that's not how it's pronounced!!

Obviously 'a' is pronounced differently in different words, but in 'mallow' it's pronounced as in hat, at, that etc. I'd be willing to bet the marshmellow people wouldn't pronounce 'fallow' as 'fellow' (not a commonly used word, but the best eg I can think of right now). I would be surprised if (most) people who say 'marahmellow' read the word.'mallow' on its own and pronounced it 'mellow'.

dayofcheese · 04/10/2023 08:59

Google says both depending if you're using English or US pronunciation. So I don't care.

dayofcheese · 04/10/2023 09:01

MarshMallOoooow

CrimsonElevenDelightPetrichor · 04/10/2023 09:01

MardyBra · 03/10/2023 22:57

My DS mispronounces it. I have failed at parenting.

Me too. It makes me so sad that I've failed them in this way.

anareen · 04/10/2023 09:10

XenoBitch · 03/10/2023 23:46

Could this be an accent thing?

Possibly? That's what I chalk "sit" & people who pronounce it as "set" up to 🤷🏻‍♀️

Anyotherdude · 04/10/2023 09:16

Pronunciation in the UK differs from region to region: Noel is a Londoner and Alison is a Brummie - they pronounce words differently than those suffering with RP…

CasperGutman · 04/10/2023 09:25

AmiablePedant · 03/10/2023 23:04

Nope, you can't always blame the Americans; they say marshmallow over here. Honest.

The Oxford English Dictionary blames Americans - it has the following under pronunciation for the entry "marshmallow":

BRITISH ENGLISH
/ˌmɑːʃˈmaləʊ/
marsh-MAL-oh

U.S. ENGLISH
/ˈmɑrʃˌmɛloʊ/
MARSH-mel-oh

Tessisme · 04/10/2023 09:28

Anyotherdude · 04/10/2023 09:16

Pronunciation in the UK differs from region to region: Noel is a Londoner and Alison is a Brummie - they pronounce words differently than those suffering with RP…

Suffering - I like it😆😆

DownNative · 04/10/2023 09:31

crumblingschools · 04/10/2023 08:03

Yeah....for US English as it says.

But not for British English which pronounced how its spelt - mallow.

notforonesecond · 04/10/2023 09:32

I say “marshmellow” and “lickrish” sorry.

You’ll be pleased to know I do know how to spell both words correctly. It’s just how everyone I’ve ever been surrounded by has always said them so it’s how I say them. I’ve never heard anyone say “mallow” in real life.

I also say “tong” and “ah-mond” just to finish you off. Oh the horror!

Vanillaradio · 04/10/2023 09:35

Definitely a West Midlands /Birmingham thing. Never heard it as mellow till I moved here- but a lot of people here seem to say it that way.

WhatapityWapiti · 04/10/2023 09:38

ReviewingTheSituation · 04/10/2023 08:23

It's always annoyed me hearing it pronounced mellow, but I always assumed people who said it that way thought it was spelled (or spelt?!) that way.

Now I'm learning that people know it's spelled with an A but still pronounce it E. Why?! Where is the logic?

THIS. This is why the “mellow” pronunciation grates, because it suggests that the speaker does not know how to spell the word. It also suggests that they are aware of the existing word “mellow” and have mistakenly assumed that it is the same word forming part of a compound word.

Imagine a child who is learning phonics at school and has a reading book in which they see “marshmallow” for the first time (let’s also imagine, perhaps unrealistically, that said child has never been exposed to marshmallows and has not previously heard the word).

They would probably read it as “mAllow” with the same “a” as in “hat”, like the dictionary cited upthread. (Though I guess they might go for a rhyme with “swallow”) Do you actually correct the child and say “No, this is one that doesn’t follow the rule, you must pronounce that as a short e”?

I did enjoy the poster upthread pointing out that “hat” is pronounced “het” by very very posh people. I believe that her late Majesty QEII would probably have said “marshmellow”, but for entirely different reasons to Alison Hammond..

Finally, my DH is from the SW of England and he shouted “MALLOW!” at the TV last night. I am Scottish and enjoyed us agreeing on that one!

WhatapityWapiti · 04/10/2023 09:39

All those tea cakes and wagon wheels looked bloody delicious though.

MagpiePi · 04/10/2023 09:41

notforonesecond · 04/10/2023 09:32

I say “marshmellow” and “lickrish” sorry.

You’ll be pleased to know I do know how to spell both words correctly. It’s just how everyone I’ve ever been surrounded by has always said them so it’s how I say them. I’ve never heard anyone say “mallow” in real life.

I also say “tong” and “ah-mond” just to finish you off. Oh the horror!

Edited

Ah-mond is the right way to say it though, none of that ridiculous al-mond nonsense. That's right up there with ker-shew instead of cah-shew, bay-sil instead of ba-sil and paaar-sta for pasta.

Don't start me on corter instead of kworter for quarter!

WhatapityWapiti · 04/10/2023 09:42

notforonesecond · 04/10/2023 09:32

I say “marshmellow” and “lickrish” sorry.

You’ll be pleased to know I do know how to spell both words correctly. It’s just how everyone I’ve ever been surrounded by has always said them so it’s how I say them. I’ve never heard anyone say “mallow” in real life.

I also say “tong” and “ah-mond” just to finish you off. Oh the horror!

Edited

Tong? For the thing in your mouth, or the thing for styling your hair?