To chuck the Avon book in the recycling.

[Houseplanter]

So I know there's someone out there trying to make a living and good for them. But i don't want Avon stuff. My choices are to

a leave it out on the step where it'll likely get wet
b keep it in the house but I'm unlikely to be here when they call back
c (and this is my preference) chuck it in the recycling with the rest of the unsolicited trash.

was always in a magazine rack in the bathroom at my nanas house for toilet reading.

That's another aspect to bear in mind, actually. If each book is collected and then re-distributed to multiple homes, and spends time in all of their bathrooms, soaking up airborne pooticles from each one, maybe also 'less than clean' hands leafing through it... grim <boak>

Maybe that's why they don't make the catalogues scratch 'n' sniff... at least the horse poo man doesn't make any bones about what you'll get from him.

PETA and Cruelty Free Kitty say otherwise.

https://crueltyfree.peta.org/company/avon-products-inc/

https://www.crueltyfreekitty.com/brands/avon/

🤔 Is Avon Cruelty-Free & Vegan in 2023? THE TRUTH (crueltyfreekitty.com)

Is Avon vegan?

Avon might offer some vegan products, however because this company is not cruelty-free, we recommend avoiding any products they offer even if they are vegan.

How do you determine that brands like Avon are not cruelty-free?

Most brands don't publicly display their full animal testing policies. We contact brands directly with our questions in order to get their complete policy. If any brand states that they, their suppliers, or any third party test on animals, the brand is listed as "not cruelty-free."

Avon's official policy:

Unfortunately, a few countries require additional safety testing, which may include animal testing. Avon, in partnership with other organizations, works to help advance government acceptance of alternative non-animal testing methods. But if a compromise cannot be reached, we must comply with the testing required by local law. Animal testing is an issue faced by all global beauty companies.

If you are cruelty free, does that mean you do not sell products in China?

Avon does not test on animals. Although we operate in China (where it’s a legal requirement to test certain products on animals) we reformulated products and discontinued certain ranges to ensure that we could continue to deliver great quality products to our customers in China, without compromising on our longstanding commitment to animal welfare.

Companies which are 100% cruelty free do NOT deal with China!

They should give a free sample of hand sanitiser with every copy!

This link which is too nice to unsolicited goods providing companies (and I regard a catalogue left on my property as unsolicited goods) basically says you can keep them due to changes in the law in about 2013 to protect consumers. https://thecomplainingcow.co.uk/all-you-need-to-know-about-unsolicited-goods/ but does point out you should write to the company to give them 14 days to remove them from your property.

My view of the law is that you can treat the Avon catalogue as an unconditional gift if you did not request it. "In the case of an unsolicited supply of goods, the consumer may, as between the consumer and the trader, use, deal with or dispose of the goods as if they were an unconditional gift to the consumer." https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/3134/regulation/39/made

I do not see why a catalogue is different from any other unsolicited product that comes to your door like a "FREE" pair of tights etc.

@FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper Pooticles!!! 😂Word of the week!

All these people who know it's often women in these very low paid roles, who know the women have to pay for the catalogues, and who would still put it in the recycling rather than literally just opening the door and dropping it out onto the step.
Unless your recycling is self-emptying and next to the front door/letter box then you're creating more work for yourself aswell as depriving someone of income.

It's also women being targeted and guilt tripped over this crap.

The catalogues will be out of date in three weeks anyway.

Don't worry. I'm sure there are also some women at the highest levels of this pyramid scheme who are actually making something from the exploitation.

@SurprisedWithAHorse
Says someone with a name like this!!🤣

And aren't you surprised?

@WrongSwanson Because in this age I could recruit someone from Scotland who wouldn't affect my sales. Do u see what I mean? Everything has changed since the old days and everything is possible.
When people apply to Avon their details get sent to Sales leaders so they can help them start and become part of their team. They train them and mentor them and earn a small amount of commission on their sales.
A lady I know of generates 10k of online sales every month and she donates her commission to an African charity close to her heart.
So with Avon the world is your oyster. Thsts why I'm getting arsey because I know what it's all about and don't mean to come across as rude.
Maybe you should join?🤣😍😘
I know your answer!!🤣🤣😘🫠

A lady I know of generates 10k of online sales every month

Sure but she's not selling Avon.

You sound like someone who has been sucked into a cult 🤷‍♀️

It's well known that people claim to make lots of money in order to recruit the next tier of customers salespeople

@WrongSwanson ..JEEZ !

Because in this age I could recruit someone from Scotland who wouldn't affect my sales. Do u see what I mean? Everything has changed since the old days and everything is possible.

But what if there's already somebody in that part of Scotland in the same role as you? What if they recruit somebody who lives 200 yards away from you?

Surely, the more it's pushed to everybody who might want a piece of the pie, it ends up effectively just like everybody earning money by taking in everybody else's washing?

Here, have a read of this. It's Younique, not Avon, and I suspect the internal culture is a bit different (I don't think Avon relies so much on aggressively peddling shite via your social media and cultivating a "ur a bossbabe" hunbot mindset, but the overall principle will be the same.

https://ellebeaublog.com/

@JanoirLondon just say you were to join Avon tomorrow (or any other MLM) and recruit 5 people (miles away from you, it doesn’t matter where they are), and then those five you’ve recruited each recruit five people, then those 25 each recruit 5 people each and so on - that only needs to happen 15 times until there aren’t enough people on the planet left to recruit (try it if you’ve got a calculator to hand). So endless chain recruitment (which is what MLM like Avon, Younique, Arbonne, Body Shop at Home etc rely upon) can’t work, someone has got to lose out.

There is some very detailed research in the US that shows that 99.6% of all people signing up to MLM lose money overall and, of course, most of them are women without many earning opportunities. Most people pulled into it make very little money and if they start tracking their earnings/costs/spending properly they discover they spend more than they make.

I’ve spent years talking to people damaged by MLM after being tricked into believing it would be a supportive, flexible and a well paid way of working. You may be lovely, your upline may be lovely, there are people happy to be signed up to get discounts on products, it may look rosey but this isn’t about nice people doing Avon, it’s about the way these MLMs conduct themselves and the lies they encourage among those uplines who know full well they will be lining their own pockets by lying about the chances of making even tiny amounts of money.

The uplines that appear to make a lot of money often are not doing as well as they appear and can lose it all if the MLM decides to pull the plug. Uplines tend to be rewarded not for downline’s sales but on downlines’ purchases - this is dodgy. It’s been proven that it’s impossible to make any kind of living from selling products alone and I’ve spoken to some big recruiters who admit they have nothing to do with the products. Just like all MLM Avon is powered by recruitment and this misleads and exploits people - I’ve met people who have lost their homes, marriages, friendships and come away blaming themselves for “not trying hard enough” when the reality is it CAN’T work for the majority however hard they try.

It's no different to scam calls though. By picking up, you're playing their game and letting them know you're a sucker.
The same goes with MLM. By following their instructions and leaving the catalogue out, whether you intend to buy or not, you're telling them you're willing to listen and potentially be pushed into buying stuff.

Throw it away, ignore them and hopefully they'll go away.
I don't want to fund pyramid schemes

Don’t think I’ve ever had a catalogue delivered (don’t want one ) but I would leave it by the front door with a note not to deliver any more. If that request is ignored, I would bin them.

Junk mail goes straight in the bin here we dont even bring it inside so tbh I don't think it would even register as something we should keep or return to someone. Also in Scotland and its always pouring rain so unlikely to be usable if it was left on the doorstep even in a plastic bag!

banana same here. I don't have time to go through item by item and take decisions about if it is an item that will be collected later or even to read what it says. If someone wants to put something on my land without my consent they do it at their own risk. I don't care if Avon ladies have had to buy it. Jehovah's witnesses stuff goes straight into junk mail too and if tights come with advertising material I can keep those. All paper that arrives I could use to light fires or whatever else. We also have lots of animals in the garden from foxes to mice and much else so anything left outside (we have no letter box) is not likely to survive anyway.

I don't have time to go through item by item and take decisions about if it is an item that will be collected later or even to read what it says. If someone wants to put something on my land without my consent they do it at their own risk.

Surely it's the well-understood intrinsic nature of what junk mail actually is: you expect it to be chucked in the recycling without even being looked at, but you do it in the vain hope that a very tiny proportion of people might just take a moment to glance at it, then a tiny proportion of those people might respond.

Oh, honey. We all know you're trained to tell stories about these people who make £10k a month. The difference is we know they're just stories.

MLMs like Avon are inherently immoral. I'm not sure why they're even allowed tbh.

I feel for the reps who are paying money for these catalogues and getting them chucked in the bin, not because it's wrong for someone to do that, but because MLMs source out vulnerable people to join them. Mostly anyone who joins will lose money or gain a miniscule amount for their work.

All I'm saying is, if it was announced MLMs were going to be outlawed in the near future, I would not be sad about it.

I wouldn’t buy from Avon on principle that’s it’s a MLM. I also thought they were being banned as it’s morally wrong.