This is the Handmaids Tale in real-time

[Crapsummer2023]

If I were living in Texas, I’d start making moves to leave soon.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/28/texas-lawyer-abortion-ban-procedure-patient-information

My neice recently moved away from Texas for this reason.

Can you explain why? If a foetus has a right to life, why do you say we have to protect that right only in relation to abortion and not anything else?

That really is a cop-out. You claimed that the suicidal woman could be supported to continue the pregnancy. You can't just shrug your shoulders and say you have no idea how that could be achieved.

The reality must be, mustn't it, that if a woman in that situation is absolutely determined to commit suicide, she can only be kept alive and made to continue the pregnancy by sectioning her and having a watch kept on her night and day? Is it acceptable in those circumstances to force the woman to continue with her pregnancy even though it will irreversibly ruin her mental health?

US military will also transfer personnel affected. And reduce funding to states that have similar laws making them even poorer than they are now.

Is that still the case if the baby's condition is such that their life will be short but agonising?

NOBODY needs to know the details of what happens during an abortion other than the woman undergoing the procedure.

It is her and her alone who makes an informed consent decision.

Not one other single person has a say.

I'm horrified that you even think this.

Sadly the pro-life states don't seem to agree with you. As reported in the link given above, "women across the US have been increasingly subjected to surveillance, arrest and charges for abortions, stillbirths and other actions that police claimed “endangered” their fetuses, with routine healthcare decisions and pregnancy outcomes treated as crimes."

@Babochan88 or what about my situation, where the baby who had a condition incompatible with life was one of a twin, and their existence was endangering the life of their healthy sibling, which may have potentially ended up it’s us losing them both had we not acted?

i doubt you have been faced with this kind of terrible choice yourself, otherwise you’d not be quite as flippant with your views here, believe me.

(Ended yo with us losing) - sorry typo.

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You honestly believe that a woman should go through to full term and be FORCED to give birth to a baby who they then have to watch die a painful death anyway? A death that will haunt them for life and may also cause them lifelong physical damage? Rather than allow a medical procedure to allow the child to pass with painless dignity?

You wouldn't allow an animal to suffer like that, but it's okay for a pregnant woman to be put through such trauma?

That is an absolutely abhorrent way to think.

@MustBeNapTime exactly. And this is what would have happened to my little twin - had he or she not died in the womb first (which we were told was risking the life of the healthy sibling too).

You really don’t have an ounce of compassion do you. What a horrible, judgemental life you lead.

You advocate cruelty to women. Adjust your moral compass, or better yet, maybe actually acquire one. Your post is disgusting.

Ok thanks.

I knew someone that had an abortion at 5 months though for non medical reasons. She was just a car crash of a woman. So it does happen for non medical reasons.

I personally was shocked that the cut off was so late. I always thought the limit was 12 weeks for non medical abortion.

Whether or not abortion is eliminated, people will always fight for babies to live and not just live, but to thrive and live happy and safe lives. At every stage of the journey pro lifers are working hard.

Not hard enough in the USA though. When the "pro-lifers" demand the ban of guns and succeed in getting it then they can be seen as working hard, but I'll bet you a £ to a penny that many of those pro-lifers also want the "right to bear arms". It seems odd to me that more value is placed on the unborn child's "right to live" than those that are born.

The expectation in abortions was that the fetus would dead at delivery but sometimes it was not. If not, it was removed from the parents' sight and hearing into another room

Removed from their sight and hearing? I take it this means that the babies were breathing at birth and started to cry? My god! What a hideous experience for those mothers. I think I would be emotionally scarred for life, in those circumstances.

Personally, I would rather take the pregnancy through to full term, give birth to my (tragically unviable) baby, let nature take its course and then say goodbye to him/her in a gentle and peaceful way.

I appreciate that others feel differently but I just don't think I could ever bring myself to deliberately end the life of my own child. 😢

What a horrible person you are.

My eldest had no lungs..none. The moment the cord was cut would be the moment he would have died. Why would I have chosen that kind of a death for him when I could give him a much more peaceful end? FWIW he was loved and wanted but as a mother there was no way I was ever going to let him suffer.

I was told another pregnancy would kill me. Fortunately I never had one. But if I had are you seriously telling me that it would have be better for me to die than have an abortion? Because giving birth would have been truly destructive to a human - me - leaving two motherless children.

Regardless of what week it’s at, it should still be protected.

What about protecting the mother? Where does that factor in your ideology @Babochan88 ?

I'm absolutely horrified by what I've just read about that US prison guard. It's more like something I'd expect from the Taliban. Although, maybe she should have just been grateful that she was allowed to work.

What a terrible place the world can be for some women. And the women who are complicit in making it terrible disgust me.

"America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization." - Georges Clemenceau

It is terrifying that there are people like Babochan…and that they are people like that in the government that actually change the laws against women.

Abortions are a medical necessity.

Except it doesn't happen as the heart is stopped as part of the procedure, no aborted fetuses are shunted off to a side room and left to die.

I trust you’re a vegan then?