This is the Handmaids Tale in real-time

[Crapsummer2023]

If I were living in Texas, I’d start making moves to leave soon.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/28/texas-lawyer-abortion-ban-procedure-patient-information

@Kemper the US is struggling with many of the key indicators of a healthy, civilised country. That's not really debatable.

well exactly -most civilised countries recognise women as functioning adults with bodily autonomy and the ability to make their own medical decision for a start

I'll tell you what pisses me off the most....
That a woman becomes pregnant by a man, then a man tells her whether she's going to have that baby or not.
Well I'll tell you what Mr Man, you want this baby? Fine, you can bloody have it. I'll leave it on your doorstep for you to raise while I get on with my life!
What's that? You can't raise it? Why not? You expect me to.
Oh I see, because you want to continue your child free life, while I get saddled with rearing it, because I'm a woman!!
Tell you what though Mr Man, you'd soon change your tune if every woman kept her legs clamped shut and denied you sex because she feared getting pregnant and had to go through with it, wouldn't you!
It pisses me off no end.

Recently, Mitchell has been helping pioneerr* a strategy to pass local ordinances that would make it illegal to transport someone along a city or county’s road for an abortion
Seriously 🤯

Absolutely agree skippingonsand
but don’t forget the judging and ridicule single mums receive from some men (because obviously they got them selves pregnant)

Absolutely agree.
This pisses me off too.

Which won't make a difference to rich women. But will prevent poor women from having a choice.

I was trying to find out exactly what a D&E entails a few days ago but I couldn't find out if there is any medication involved to make the foetus heart stop before the procedure. The pro life 'side' have some awful descriptions of what happens in a D&E (and not late stage either, early to mid 2nd trimester) including from a man who has done many. But the only other source of info, pro choice and NHS etc, didn't go into detail. I also discovered that a foetus can feel pain possibly as early as 10 weeks.

I am pro choice. But I feel like I am not as far over to that side as some are. but when push comes to shove that's where I'd be.

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@MrsTerryPratchett well said. This is why I object to the term 'pro-abortion'. If the people who want safe, legal abortion were 'pro-abortion', we would be pushing for legislation forcing women to have abortions even when they were pregnant with a much wanted baby, taking away their freedom of choice and their bodily autonomy. I can't think of any group that would do anything resembling that - oh wait, I can...

Texans don't seem to care about 10 year olds being shot at school so it baffles me why they're so concerned about a 10 week old foetus' right to life.

Banning abortion kills women. If you're OK with that, you have no moral compass.

I read the article but didn’t really understand.

Can someone explain please?

Is abortion banned in Texas or allowed up to 6 weeks? And someone is asking for the details of every abortion performed since 2021?

@Babochan88 I absolutely get that this is what you believe and I respect that. You can’t however force your beliefs on every woman in the world. How would that work?

How is it murder when the embryo can't survive outside the body? 🤔

Abortions rose in the UK after the 2 child cap on child benefits.

Yet weirdly I've never seen a UK pro-forced birth campaigner raising awareness of this or petioning the government to remove the cap

Because they don't care how the baby is paid for, or what poverty it will grow up in or any thing else about its life. Only about restricting women's choices.

I have zero time for that.

My body My rules trumps your right to dictate what I can medically do - don't like termination - don't have one - but your beliefs don't trump anyone else's - nor does it trump their rights to safe health care

GTF. My body my rules.!

It will never be possible to ban abortions, you can only ever ban safe abortions. For as long as pregnancy has existed, abortion has existed. The difference is though that prior to legalisation women would use unsafe methods such as "falling" down stairs, taking large amounts of drugs (legal and illegal), attempting to rupture the amniotic sac using sharp implements, visiting backstreet abortionists with poor hygiene and no aftercare, etc. Women died and it is still a leading cause of female death worldwide.

Banning it doesn't save ickle wickle bay-bees who will go on to have happy, sunshine lives full of rainbow and kittens.

It kills women.

I have a friend who had to have a termination at 12 weeks. She went to have her first scan for dates etc. The babies heart wasn't forming properly. She was told that the pregnancy would almost certainly proceed to full term but that the baby would die at, or shortly after, birth. She had a termination. If she had lived in many American states she would have been required to carry on with the pregnancy, knowing that she would never get to take her baby home. Absolutely madness

I don’t know about madness @AngelinaFibres, it would be the height of cruelty. Thank goodness our attitudes are more compassionate. Your poor friend.

The number one cause of death for pregnant women in the US is their partner, and they have the worst rates of maternal mortality in the developed world. A society that really cared about an unborn fetus would have better standards of healthcare, maternity leave, housing and benefits. It would tackle violence against pregnant women, and rape. If you are advocating to limit abortions and criminalise women before fixing any of those problems, you are just a disgusting authoritarian.