Page 14 | To want to take my 12kg dog in the plane cabin

BettyBoomer · 2023-09-30T11:13:50+00:00

I’m going to Europe this summer and I’d like to take my dog but I dont want to put the dog in the hold. There are a number of airlines that allow dogs in the cabin if they are under 10kg (KLM, AirFrance, ITA air). does anyone know of an airline from UK to Europe that would take a 12kg dog? thanks!

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BettyBoomer · 01/10/2023 07:13

Riapia · 30/09/2023 18:32

Hope you and doggo have a wonderful fun time OP. Woof woof.
🐶🐶. 😉😁😁

Thanks very much! Doggo is super excited about travels and we are choosing our matching outfits today! 😜

Hubby is also super excited about the planned holibobs.

🐶 ❤️

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dressedforcomfort · 01/10/2023 07:16

I love dogs (and own one) but I think YABU.

What if there's someone nearby with a bad dog allergy or a dog phobia?

What if the dog gets anxious or distressed and poops or wees in the cabin? Or just howls/barks constantly?

Honestly, it's unfair on everyone.

Saschka · 01/10/2023 07:17

StoatofDisarray · 30/09/2023 13:52

I don't get the hate. Rather a quiet dog than a drunk adult, crying baby or a badly-behaved kid.

It’s not either/or though is it? We could have none of the above….

Adults don’t have to get drunk, babies don’t usually cry for the whole flight, children can be told to behave. A massive dog on a flight is always going to be a massive dog on a flight.

FarEast · 01/10/2023 07:23

Saschka · 01/10/2023 07:17

It’s not either/or though is it? We could have none of the above….

Adults don’t have to get drunk, babies don’t usually cry for the whole flight, children can be told to behave. A massive dog on a flight is always going to be a massive dog on a flight.

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I think it’s also the attitude expressed in the OP about trying to get around reasonable limitations and her fuck you tone to anyone else.

WaitingfortheTardis · 01/10/2023 07:29

@BettyBoomer I thought dogs were allowed to fly out of the UK in the cabin on some airlines, but not into the UK in the cabin (unless assistance). I also thought the weight limit for this was 8kg? Just flagging it up so you can double check as you don't want to have difficulties coming back/not being allowed on etc.

notimagain · 01/10/2023 07:39

A massive dog on a flight is always going to be a massive dog on a flight.

FWIW few the service (assistance) dogs I saw when working on flights into/out of the UK have generally been pretty sizeable though maybe not what some would regard as massive.

They generally looked like labradors or similar but I'm no dog expert. The really really impressive thing about all of them is that they were impeccably behaved.

They seemed quite happy to sit at their owner's feet for the whole of often lengthy long haul sectors..absolutely no wandering around the aisles or barking - I'm sure the vast majority of passengers wouldn't have known there was an animal in the cabin.

Those sort of dogs TBH I think it's hard have an issue with, though I understand the objections from those with allergies. Any dog less comprehensively trained - no thanks.

PenelopeTheShroudWeaver · 01/10/2023 07:39

smallshinybutton · 30/09/2023 13:47

I would hate it and want to get off the flight

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I would hate it too.

I'm really sick of having to deal with dogs in situations when I shouldn't have to.
I have a phobia of dogs, I avoid off-lead park, beaches etc. but I don't expect to be in forced close proximity to dogs in other places (like the German shepherd sprawled across the aisle on the train last week, or the off lead dogs bounding up to me on the street)
A great dane on the plane would send me over the edge to be honest

Ascendant15 · 01/10/2023 07:43

DisquietintheRanks · 30/09/2023 17:11

Bullshit.

I have a dog allergy. I manage pretty well in everyday life because I can remove myself from the vicinity of whatever dogs present themselves. I can't do that on a plane.

There's also a big difference between sitting next to someone who's got dog dander on their clothing and sitting next to am actual dog, even for those of us with more severe allergies.

You minimising of other people's health issues are just as disgusting and discriminatory as those attitudes you are criticising.

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I would suggest that you go back to your original post where you suggested that only guide dogs for the visually impaired are "real" assistance dogs, and implied that the rest of us have bogus "emotional" support dogs and shouldn't be allowed to fly with them. That is offensive, discriminatory and outright rubbish.

If your allergy is anywhere near as severe as you suggest then yes, sitting next to a dog owner would trigger it. I have seen that happen. Since it isn't that severe then you can sit in a seat further away and avoid coming near my dog so is legally entitled to travel with me because he supports me staying alive.

Since the law is on my side, then you'll have to get another plane if that is a problem for you, as opposed to, for example, the usual disability haters on MN who seem to think that people with disabilities are like that for fun and big benefits.

DisquietintheRanks · 01/10/2023 08:05

@Ascendant15 the post you quoted is my only post on this thread, so don't put other people's opinions in my mouth.

And actually how it works (in the US anyway) is that you request an animal free flight from the airline and its done on a first come, first served basis. So if an highly allergic person books first then the flight is closed to service animals. If someone with a service animal is already booked on then you can't take that flight. Because severe allergies are counted as disabilities when it comes to flying.

oakleaffy · 01/10/2023 08:06

Ascendant15 · 01/10/2023 07:43

I would suggest that you go back to your original post where you suggested that only guide dogs for the visually impaired are "real" assistance dogs, and implied that the rest of us have bogus "emotional" support dogs and shouldn't be allowed to fly with them. That is offensive, discriminatory and outright rubbish.

If your allergy is anywhere near as severe as you suggest then yes, sitting next to a dog owner would trigger it. I have seen that happen. Since it isn't that severe then you can sit in a seat further away and avoid coming near my dog so is legally entitled to travel with me because he supports me staying alive.

Since the law is on my side, then you'll have to get another plane if that is a problem for you, as opposed to, for example, the usual disability haters on MN who seem to think that people with disabilities are like that for fun and big benefits.

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Emotional support dogs have no protection in UK.

So many bogus ones about in USA- anyone can say their dog is an ''Emotional support dog'' there- thankfully here the laws are a bit stricter , so essentially pet dogs don't snarl at passengers on planes or defecate in shops or pee up things.

oakleaffy · 01/10/2023 08:13

They generally looked like labradors or similar but I'm no dog expert. The really really impressive thing about all of them is that they were impeccably behaved.

This is the thing.

A true assistance dog is impeccably behaved.

In USA anyone can say their dog is a ''Service dog'' and it's just a joke.

Here is a typical fake:

The dog bites it's own owner!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7LkAN7OKqFA

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7LkAN7OKqFA

BlurredEdges · 01/10/2023 08:14

BettyBoomer · 01/10/2023 07:13

Thanks very much! Doggo is super excited about travels and we are choosing our matching outfits today! 😜

Hubby is also super excited about the planned holibobs.

🐶 ❤️

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You jumped the shark there.

EasternStandard · 01/10/2023 08:15

ChesterDrawz · 01/10/2023 00:10

"Get away with"? Are you joking?!

There is no way on god's green earth I'd ignore a dog being plonked on the middle 'seat' in business. Who do you imagine you'd be sitting next to that they'd blind-eye a dog on the tray table between the 2 seats?

(For anyone not familiar, when the middle seat is left empty (a nod to 'business' in a standard cabin) it's not usually just an empty seat, it's a middle seat converted to be a table/deck between the windows and aisle seats.)

There's no "getting away with..." anything in business. There's enough crew to know every single item anyone brought into the cabin.

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Yeh me either

Dibblydoodahdah · 01/10/2023 08:17

Valerianandfoxglovesoup · 30/09/2023 14:39

Re allergy to dogs, I think that's a UK thing, I have never met anyone allergic to dogs in the rest of the world. I assumed it just meant don't like them.

Seriously how ignorant can you be? My allergy brings on an asthma attack. I have been hospitalised several times because of it but, sure, I just don’t like dogs!

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BettyBoomer · 01/10/2023 08:23

It’s quite frightening how many people are doggist!
(anti-dogs)

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Boomboom22 · 01/10/2023 08:28

Wow. The only assistance dogs are guide, hearing and seizure.
Emotional support dogs us a made up thing to get entitled nasty people to bring their dog places it does not belong. Really need a log or licence like a blue badge now people take the piss like this.
Of course dog allergies are real, owners really are horrible dismissing dangerous medical conditions, why? Because they can't handle the fact people are affected by their beast.

DinnaeFashYersel · 01/10/2023 08:28

Thankfully not a thing if travelling from UK.

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BettyBoomer · 01/10/2023 08:30

DinnaeFashYersel · 01/10/2023 08:28

Thankfully not a thing if travelling from UK.

Except it is.

And we will be booking it today. As other posters have said, you can’t fly back into the UK with a dog. So we will drive/train back.

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BlurredEdges · 01/10/2023 08:32

BettyBoomer · 01/10/2023 08:23

It’s quite frightening how many people are doggist!
(anti-dogs)

It's 'frightening', is it?

I can't believe you got away with that rubbish about matching outfits. No one's paying attention at this time of the morning.

Dibblydoodahdah · 01/10/2023 08:33

BettyBoomer · 01/10/2023 08:23

It’s quite frightening how many people are doggist!
(anti-dogs)

Are you calling me doggist because I have a severe allergy to dogs?! I didn’t choose it and it’s making my life harder and harder as more places allow them.

Ascendant15 · 01/10/2023 08:36

DisquietintheRanks · 01/10/2023 08:05

@Ascendant15 the post you quoted is my only post on this thread, so don't put other people's opinions in my mouth.

And actually how it works (in the US anyway) is that you request an animal free flight from the airline and its done on a first come, first served basis. So if an highly allergic person books first then the flight is closed to service animals. If someone with a service animal is already booked on then you can't take that flight. Because severe allergies are counted as disabilities when it comes to flying.

Odd. That has never happened to me anywhere in the world, including the US where I live.

Itslookinggood · 01/10/2023 08:41

Op which airline please? ( and thank you for the thread…..🐶)

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BettyBoomer · 01/10/2023 08:44

@Dibblydoodahdah Not at all, I was not including you in being doggist. I was being facetious to those that were being rude about my legitimate question of travelling in a plane with a dog - I didn’t make the rules.

I’m very sorry you have a severe allergy - we have close friends who have a mild dog allergy and that alone is bad enough. We also know those with severe food allergies and have been hospitalised numerous times and I really feel for them. so if you’re allergy to dogs is that bad, then I really feel for you too as it’s difficult to avoid dogs.

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BettyBoomer · 01/10/2023 08:49

Itslookinggood · 01/10/2023 08:41

Op which airline please? ( and thank you for the thread…..🐶)

AirBaltic allow dogs + carrier up to 12kg.

I will have to weigh doggo todsy! 🐶 ❤️

might need a diet! 😂

and it might be cramped - so I might have to sneak her out onto the seat. Do you think anyone would mind?

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IncomingTraffic · 01/10/2023 09:30

It’s not discriminatory to be ‘doggist’. People are perfectly entitled to not like dogs. They’re not people.

It’s not ok to be weird about proper assistance dogs (highly trained for specific purposes) because that’s discriminating against the disabled person who is assisted by that dog.

Muddying the waters but trying to lump assistance dogs in with pets is unhelpful. The dog in question here is just a pet.