Temperature not freaking everyone out?

[JKDcot]

Meant to be 23/24 degrees in London next week? Not usual for early October… anyone else think it’s bonkers that climate change so obvious and still nothing being done my government and corporates

You know how averages are calculated right?

What do you expect the government or corporates to do to stop the temperature being 23/24 next week?

Where was the climate change panic when it pissed down with rain for 6 weeks over the summer holidays?

I googled it for people saying it's not normal and has never happened before:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15137832.amp

In 2011 it was over 29 degrees which beat the previous record of over 29 degrees in 1985. Using every temperature variance as "evidence" just undermines the whole argument and does the opposite of what you intend. You're making it so much easier for people to deny climate change.

@Fallenangelofthenorth exactly.

I don’t deny climate change at all (and actively make lifestyle choices like not flying/limited driving) and completely recognise the shifts in weather patterns and water levels. At the same time I’m not going to start freaking out at isolated observations of the weather taken out of context as signs of impending doom.

There’s plenty of those without the manipulation marketing.

To be fair our rain was a result of it being hot elsewhere and the panic was on their fires and flash floods. But it was part of the same picture

Not even that far! Summer runs from June 21st to Sept 21st give or take a few days. We're only a week into autumn really :)

🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️. What do you expect the government of our tiny island to do? That doesn’t involve rising the taxes of those of us struggling to get by as is it to fund it? X

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Of course you could talk about climate change any day of the week, you could talk about it on windy days, rainy days, grey boring days, because climate change is global and everyday.

But this isn't about climate change - this is climate morality - where you feel elevated to chastise people for enjoying a lovely autumn day.

Well let’s come back to this thread on 1 November then once we know the average.

YANBU but can’t believe voting is at 50%.🙄 People are so worried about trees, but don’t care as long as it’s warm apparently. Greece has been burning, I think our children will see the impact of global warming.

The average temperature is about 14 in October in the UK, of course during hot spells London is hotter because its a city. Its warm here in Sweden as well, we’re expecting highs of 18 today.

So do I.

Enjoy it, OP. It'll be cold and dark soon enough and we can all go back to shivering in our homes and bitching about the cost of gas and the shit weather.

From memory it was 23⁰c on Halloween in 2014. Of course it wasn't called a climate disaster back then, just pleasantly warm.

I don't think anyone on this thread is denying climate change. I also agree that the odd day in the 20s is not unusual in October.

We enjoyed a day out in North Yorkshire a couple of years ago on 8th October when it was 22 degrees. It felt like summer. But it was just one day.

It’s pretty normal.

I'm not in any sense in denial about climate change, but I can remember lots of warm Octobers as long ago as the 1970s.

I love it when it stays dry and warm into the early autumn, it makes the winter seem shorter.

I remember getting ready for my friends 30th in early October, it felt boiling! My hair kept curling as I was trying to straighten it. He turns 42 next week

I care greatly about climate change. But what do you want from this thread? Yes. Climate change is real and happening. And from this mumsnet thread i should now go and….

It's totally abnormal. For the past 7 or 8 years climate change has become really apparent here in the UK. While its true that weather patterns can fluctuate and that there have always been milder Septembers / Octobers you cannot deny the fact that these episodes of unusually warm weather are happening more and more frequently. When I was a teenager, we regularly has night frosts in September.

They used to be called "Indian Summers" years ago. Not unusual.

but I can remember lots of warm Octobers as long ago as the 1970s.

So can I. This isn't a recent thing.

I remember going back to university in late September in the nineties and the weather being lovely for several weeks, every year. Definitely not coat weather until later in the month - and this was a uni in the Midlands, not London or the south coast. Climate change is happening, even here in the UK - the summers we had in 2021 and 2022 attest to that - but I’m not sure mild weather forecast in early October is necessarily a sign of that.

Last week of October 1993 was warm and dry enough to spend half term down the woods, getting off with my boyfriend. I even remember the jumper I was wearing. Def no coat.

October 2009 was warm enough to push a pram whilst wearing a t shirt. But followed by a week of ice in January, where pushing a pram was definitely no advisable.

The October I was pregnant with dc in 2011 was warm and muggy.
I'm also not a climate change denier, but I don't think a warm October is evidence.

Nothing being done?

We often get this sort of weather at this time of year. It is called an Indian Summer.

It is driven by the jet stream in conjunction with the gulf stream and the coreolis effect, and is as a result of warm air being brought up from the mid-Atlantic, via the Caribbean, then up the east coast of the States and then over here. Sometimes it is wet and windy, and we get the tail end of former hurricanes, sometimes it is nice and warm.