Temperature not freaking everyone out?

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Meant to be 23/24 degrees in London next week? Not usual for early October… anyone else think it’s bonkers that climate change so obvious and still nothing being done my government and corporates

So what ? are you outraged at the poor temperatures we had throughout most of summer. Just be grateful we've got some warmer weather because it'll make the winter seem less harsh I just can't believe some of the questions asked on this site

It’s my sons birthday today. I clearly remember his 3rd birthday (2011) - we went to a Thomas the Tank steam train day out and it hit 31 degrees.

Well yes, yes it is. We had the cold and rain due to the pressure change (Low vs High) between us and the rest of Europe who were roasting to death in a fiery inferno.

Nope, temperature not freaking me out. And what’s the point in trying to freak everyone else out.. or suggest that others should in fact be freaking out, by asking the question. Panic never achieved anything positive 🤷‍♀️

Firstly, the graphs you have posted show temperature anomalies rather than actual temperatures. I think that these sort of longitudinal graphs - covering such immense timescales, mislead with respect to the uniformity of the evidence base from which datasets have been derived.The temperature record reflects proxy data - and those fluctuations would have to have been modelled. With that sort of resolution, it is not possible to make meaningful causal links between temperature and CO2. There is more detailed evidence that indicates that atmospheric CO2 levels in the past lagged temperature change and thus were probably caused by it, rather than being the principal driver of it (eg in the form of waner oceans degassing and thereby driving up atmospheric CO2 levels and vice versa).
I am rather confused by the purpose of the graph - it seems to show that the recent increase in anthropogenic CO2 is not imprinted in temperature change in Antarctica. It would also be interesting to compare CO2 levels before the Ice Age with global temperatures - what happened to temperatures when CO2 levels were above 2000ppm - or even 4000 ppm?
Anyway, given the absolute complexity of atmospheric and oceanic systems it is silly to focus so exclusively on one greenhouse gas - it risks skewing research in a way that reinforces the given narrative and potentially undermines attempts to get to grips with the full range and interactions of natural and anthropogenic climatic drivers.

It’s meant to be, but doesn’t feel it at all.

I got married in mid October 45 years ago (1978) it was a beautifully sunny, balmy day. Two years earlier, in 1976, I'd struggled with finals in extraordinary heat. I'm not denying global warming but we have had this weather at this time of year before.

@Bogwood who's focussing purely on CO2? You've read the CO2 equivalencies in the appedecies to the Green House Protocol I assume?

Agree, I’m old enough to remember snow every winter without fail, blackberries came late summer and conkers around Halloween.
We get blackberries now as early as late June and all the conkers had fallen by late September last year. It’s happening right in front of our eyes.
in the 70’s we had one memorable hot summer, so much so that it was legendary. It was 77 degrees for a couple of weeks. That’s now quite normal in May.
it’s nuts to think this is normal.

Around 30 years ago I went to a funeral,in February and it was so hot every one went swimming outdoors afterwards
also remember at some point it snowed in June ,

Bogwood Economically we could have the resources. We could stop subsidising oil industries. We could tax wealth. We could create a ‘carbon tax’ for carbon heavy industries. There are a multitude of ways to raise money (not to mention front loading greener technologies to be world leaders rather than pissing away this amazing opportunity to boost our global standing and economy). We need a new approach to economics really IMO but that is a whole other thread about the myth of bloody ‘trickle down economics’. Spoiler - it doesn’t make everyone better off - mostly just the wealthy get more wealthy.

Not just London. 20 degrees in parts of the Scottish Highlands today. It’s very concerning,

I am not freaking out. That would be very dramatic for a few dates of nicer weather than usual in October. Flooding, fires and hurricanes happening in several countries concern me and make feel worry but I can’t control nature or bigger polluters like China and India. The U.K. is not going to make much of a difference on reducing it even if do more than other countries at this stage.

My son (23 this year) was born 9th October. As far back as I can remember the weather around his birthday has always been nice.

Daftasabroom

Ten scientists would disagree on whether we are absolutely very fuched or whether we are very absolutely fucked. They'd all agree that if we don't act now we are fucked.

This made me chuckle. Good retort!

Although it’s also quite depressingly accurate. There can be a feeling of ‘well we are fucked anyway so why am I bothering?’ for me, but when my DC grow up, I want to look them in the eye and say truthfully that I did my best. That keeps me trying. Life is full on at the moment but I may well start getting myself arrested in the not too distant future. It does feel like that’s the only thing left to try having been ‘doing what I can’ for 30 years!

A photo came up today from 2011 of the children paddling in the sea with other adults in swimming costumes in the background.
It's often been t shirt weather for my youngest's birthday later in the month.

Don’t look up

My Facebook memories came up to remind me that 12 years ago today I was sat on the beach at Lyme Regis in a sun shelter with dtds who were a few weeks old and dh was in the sea with dd1 then we had ice creams it was so hot. Stop making out it’s never been like this before. People have bad memories.

@OceanicBoundlessness haha yes, same memory in 2011 and probably many of us because it was boiling!

The weather always fluctuates here in the UK. Last October 21st, DH and I were sat on the beach just in hoodies, making s’mores at 1am. it was incredibly mild and we’d had some lovely weather in the lead up to that date.

I got married in February 2008 and my wedding day was 18 degrees and sunny.

I have noticed nothing unusual, when I look back over the 43 years I’ve been alive. My grandad of 93 also remembers warm Octobers as he got married in late September and then they had their honeymoon in Bournemouth.

I really don’t get the catastrophising.

For crying out loud, get a grip.

Yes, I am aware of CO2 equivalents. I am also aware of the issues that computer models have had with respect to being overly sensitive to CO2 increases. It is a concern that focussing too much on anthropogenic GHGs risks skewing research away from natural drivers of climate change - which are far from being adequately understood.
Irrespective of the huge gaps in scientific understanding, even if the 'scientific consensus' that underpins conventional wisdom on climate change is taken at face value, there is a significant problem with respect to the misrepresentation of that evidence (as referenced upthread).

@Bogwood you're clearly very knowledgeable about this. Probably moreso than anyone else on this thread. Do you do this for a living?

Someone who is merely "aware" of CO2e really isn't "very knowledgeable".

I'm talking about all the posts. There's a lot of information and she certainly knows a hell of a lot more than I do 🤷‍♀️