Temperature not freaking everyone out?

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Meant to be 23/24 degrees in London next week? Not usual for early October… anyone else think it’s bonkers that climate change so obvious and still nothing being done my government and corporates

YANBU...

It's been warm right up until the end of October for the last few years. My (young) DC were in the sea on 29 October last year!!

Tbh though, I much prefer a warm Autumn to a hot summer... I love sitting in the lower sun.

@Andnowtowhatcomesnext If you re-read my earlier replies, you will see that the scientists that I reference are not challenging the scientific consensus - they are challenging the alarmist 'climate boiling' rhetoric that is not actually based in scientific consensus! The actual science contained in the IPCC reports is not adequately summarised and this results in it being misrepresented to the public. I have deliberately referenced scientific positions that reflect the current scientific understanding. This understanding does not point to the level of anthropogenic climate change indicated by the media headlines or the political propaganda. We should all be very concerned about this - but I understand it will probably be impossible to increase general awareness of the key issues. Most people will probably respond just as you have. However, as Mills has made clear, regardless of the science underpinning the race to 'net zero', the economic reality is that it simply will not be achievable - we do not have the resources currently to meet the logistical demands of the energy transition, whether people want it politically or not!

@Bogwood The world's leading experts don't agree. You need to dig behind the headlines! Where are you getting your information from about scientific consensus? Even the computer modelled projections don't agree.

To suggest that the modeling and experts don't agree, is either incredibly ignorant of how science gets done, or, willfully disingenuous.

There are certainly differences in quite how bad it's will be, and what the best mitigations may be. But they do all agree that climate change is an unfolding catastrophe that we need to address with utmost urgency. You clearly have no scientific training or experience.

P.s. there's plenty of lithium that's been found in good safe jurisdictions.

I've noticed in recent years it gets very warm 3 to 5 pm rather than 12 to 2 or 3, which is great for the park afterschool though a bit odd.

Yes! I distictly remember the hottest part of the day was 12-3 and its definitely shifted later in the summer now.

Unfortunately, the global temperature averages often published usually start their graph circa 1850 to when we were coming out of the Little Ice Age.

Humans and human history goes back hundreds of thousands of years further back than 1850 or even 1650 (during little Ice Age), so you do have to look for graphs that go back a lot longer.

Cast your mind back to 2012 and early October was the same, nothing new here! Its very early in October, give it a few weeks and will be decidedly chillier

To suggest that the modeling and experts don't agree, is either incredibly ignorant of how science gets done, or, willfully disingenuous.

But they don’t all agree? You get ten scientists on anything as complex as this in a room and there will always be a dissenting opinion also based on science.
Also, there are multiple models projecting the future of our climate, they are all different and so far, none of them have been right as they have been modelling for decades now. What was predicted for today- not one model done in say the 1990s or 2000s was correct.

”I remember it being warm like this a few years ago”. Memories vs data. It has been unseasonable warm throughout Europe.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/oct/01/autumn-heat-continues-in-europe-after-record-breaking-september

We had rotten pumpkins and hot Halloween a few years ago. And my son’s birthday is end of October and he’ll be 18. The year he was born is was so lovely and warm the end of October I got told off by midwife for being out walking too much and not laying round indoors enough. So I think it’s not particularly unusual unless this weather is settled for the whole of October instead of being mixed spells of cold/ nice/ wet

Research

Here you go! Oops, it doesn't really support your implication does it?

I'll try again

People like Koonin & Curry go around trumpeting the fact that they are outsiders, heretics, outliers, dissidents. They can't say "i'm the brave unusual one!" and "everybody is ganged up against me" and then say "actually there is no consensus because a large % actually agree with me" which would mean there was no "everybody" and their position wasn't heretic at all.

Logic lost.

You are simply making things up.

The models are very consistent, they are not "all different".

Ten scientists would disagree on whether we are absolutely very fuched or whether we are very absolutely fucked. They'd all agree that if we don't act now we are fucked.

What was the weather like in London in October 1921?
As for the weather for the rest of that autumn, October carried on as if summer had never ended, thanks to persistent anti-cyclones. It was the sunniest October on record and crowds flocked to the seaside in temperatures hitting the high 20s, peaking at an extraordinary 29C on 5 and 6 October in London. So nothing unusual this year.

Indian Summer happens fairly regularly to my memory.

23 in my flat and hating it. Still in t shirts as even when the wind is blowing it is warm and not pleasant! Can't wait for colder weather and hope we actually have something like a real winter again. I definitely believe it is climate change but think we are way past being able to do anything about it, changes should have happened years ago.

Bored of the humidity and having windows open at night. Come in proper autumnal weather.....

@IslaWinds are these the models your talking about (the incredibly accurate ones)

I said this to family and was told I was misremembering.

I wondered if it was location less time in countryside and more in cities but I've felt this worst temp time change as well.

Have a day off

You posted a graph that only goes back 2,000 yrs. When you find one that goes back 700,000yrs then we can talk further.

It’s batshit.

I hope the hand basket has plenty of space in it for the trip to hell.

The graphs show how inaccurate they are. The many models are drawn in light gray. The actual observations are in red. The dark line is restroprectively drawn from out their arses.