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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To expect OH to put my job first ?

339 replies

greyA · 28/09/2023 19:49

Bit of back story, husband has been in his job 23 years, hasn’t really moved up that much and is still in junior management - has had opportunities to progress but has always said he doesn’t want them. He earns around 38k. I was a career changer and in 3 years have gone from earning 20k to 80k. I work in a fast paced industry ( tech ) and whilst I do wfh and have reasonable flexibility, I take my job very seriously and I absolutely love it. Currently we split things as equally as possible however I still pay around £500 more than OH each month ( I buy all food and pay a couple of extra bills ) ( I also do the bulk of the housework, shopping and cooking but that’s for another post ) I am currently expecting and previously we discussed OH taking some time off to look after baby so I could return to work after about 3 months and the plan was he’d be around and I’d do as much flexi working as I could ( possibly going down to a 4 day week or working some of my hours in the evenings) OH has now said he doesn’t want to do that and seems to think it’s perfectly feasible for me to wfh and take care of the baby. The fact is he doesn’t earn enough to cover all our bills but I do so AIBU expecting him to step up and either be home and care for the baby or earn more so I can stay home and do it myself ?

OP posts:
Loopytiles · 28/09/2023 20:34

he’s not coming across well from your update: has two DC, resents ex, and does bugger all domestic work.

greyA · 28/09/2023 20:34

I don’t know - I’ve never had a baby before and never expected to be the higher income earner. I’d just like to have a year off like everybody else seems to but doesn’t seem possible. I hate the idea of putting my tiny baby in childcare and loved the thought of OH being at home with baby and me getting to spend time with them both between working. It seemed like the best of both worlds.

OP posts:
Loopytiles · 28/09/2023 20:35

Really, a father of two who thinks women can wfh while caring for a baby?!

Ponderence · 28/09/2023 20:37

greyA · 28/09/2023 20:08

Absolutely not adverse to childcare, but OH has 2 older kids from previous relationship and was very resentful towards his ex that he spent all his time at work and she effectively got 5 years off with the kids and he was always adamant he wanted to do it differently this time. I would absolutely love to be a sahm but unfortunately our outgoings just wouldn’t allow that- we aren’t frivolous, it’s just general living. It’s not that his job has to be second but if I loose my job we literally wouldn’t be able to survive. And when I say we share bills fairly equally I mean mortgage and utilities - all food, meals out, holidays, luxuries etc are paid by me.

She had 5 years “off”. When I had 2 pre school children my office days felt much more like “off” time to be honest.

and now he thinks you’ll be working at home with a baby. Tell me you had not a lot to do with your children without telling me you had not an awful lot to do with your children.

Ponderence · 28/09/2023 20:44

Quite often when you have a baby your priorities massively change. I remember rushing around and getting all stressed finishing work off so I missed antenatal classes etc. a few weeks into my mat leave I couldn’t have told you what those all important bits of work were. Honeslty you just need to go on maternity leave and go with it
. it’s amazing how your priorities, outgoings and lifestyle change after having a baby x

diddl · 28/09/2023 20:45

he spent all his time at work and she effectively got 5 years off with the kids

Who did he think should have looked after them then?

Hufflepods · 28/09/2023 20:48

Why would you wfh and look after a baby though?
The baby goes in childcare.

He’s not unreasonable for not wanting to be a SAHP, many women don’t want that either.

movintothecountry · 28/09/2023 20:49

Can you stretch to six months mat leave and ask him to take 6 months pat leave so that baby is at least 1 before going into childcare? Long term you can both still work full time or maybe you could do 4 days if you want more time with baby?

I know its a bit shit and I feel for you, but other than LTB, I'm not sure what your options are. Def do not try and work with a baby at home!

MargotBamborough · 28/09/2023 20:49

greyA · 28/09/2023 20:34

I don’t know - I’ve never had a baby before and never expected to be the higher income earner. I’d just like to have a year off like everybody else seems to but doesn’t seem possible. I hate the idea of putting my tiny baby in childcare and loved the thought of OH being at home with baby and me getting to spend time with them both between working. It seemed like the best of both worlds.

Not everybody has a year off.

Would it be feasible for you to take 6 months off? My kids were in full time childcare at around 7 months.

I would take a very dim view of your husband suddenly deciding he doesn't want to take shared parental leave.

You need to explain to him that there is no way on earth you are going to be working from home and looking after a small baby at the same time. It will be against your employment contract and if your employer finds out that is what you are doing you will get fired.

Put it to him that he appears to want to keep his low stress job while you (a) are the main breadwinner, (b) are also looking after his child full time, and (c) are doing the lion's share of the domestic tasks at home.

Where does he think you will find the hours in the day to do all these things?

Why does he think you should be doing all these things whilst he just bimbles along in his low stress 9-5?

What does he think he is bringing to this relationship?

Would he want to stay in this relationship if it was the other way round?

How does he think you will pay your mortgage and bills without your salary? (Remind him if necessary that you working full time and also doing childcare at the same time is a sackable offence and not going to happen.)

ActDottie · 28/09/2023 20:49

Why can’t the baby just go in nursery after 3 months?

redguitar123 · 28/09/2023 20:50

Oh dear. He's a bit of a man-child isn't he? I don't know where you go from here. I would be very worried that it's going to fall apart over the next few years, he'll get custody and you'll have to pay maintenance.

Mmhmmn · 28/09/2023 20:51

Clearly you can’t wfh AND look after a baby.

If he thinks you (anyone) can, he’s being extremely obtuse.

AnnaTortoiseshell · 28/09/2023 20:54

You haven’t said why you can’t take maternity leave? It sounds like you want to.

BrawnWild · 28/09/2023 21:00

OP, kindly I think you're a little naive thinking you'll want to be back full time after 3 months and that you'll be happy popping off to see your baby for a cuddle every few hours.

Putting that aside, its predictably sad that he viewed his ex as "having 5 years off" but now he has the chance he doesnt want to. That tells you he thinks he is better than her in some way (deeply ingrained misogyny?) and is likely to treat you the same.

Tread carefully. I doubt he was he perfect husband/dad then and I doubt he will be now.

Edited to add that he clearly views childcare and housework as womens work. He can probably just about overlook you being paid more because by being lazy at home and getting you t do the womens work he is still flexing his penis whilst benefitting from your wages.

SunRainStorm · 28/09/2023 21:07

So his plan is for you:

  • to be the primary breadwinner
  • do the bulk of housework, cooking, cleaning etc; and
  • provide 100% of the childcare while working at the same time.

What is he planning to contribute?

I'd put the baby in nursery so he can't claim he's the primary cared when you divorce him.

PinkRoses1245 · 28/09/2023 21:10

YABU to say he should put your job first because you earn more. If you both want to work, get childcare. You can’t WFH whilst parenting a small baby. Household chores and childcare should be split in proportion to your working hours.

Dacadactyl · 28/09/2023 21:17

Good luck OP, you're gonna need it with this bloke 😬

gamerchick · 28/09/2023 21:23

greyA · 28/09/2023 20:34

I don’t know - I’ve never had a baby before and never expected to be the higher income earner. I’d just like to have a year off like everybody else seems to but doesn’t seem possible. I hate the idea of putting my tiny baby in childcare and loved the thought of OH being at home with baby and me getting to spend time with them both between working. It seemed like the best of both worlds.

Bless you. That doesn't work, it won't work. You'll be constantly interrupted and the arguing will happen. Your productivity will slip.

Tell him if he wants you to stay at home to look after a kid then he can take over the financials completely. Start a dry run his next pay day for the remainder of your pregnancy.

If he won't pull his weight around the house, why were you expecting this to happen? He's a lazy bugger by the sounds of it.

JustAMinutePleass · 28/09/2023 21:31

Are you a contractor - is that why you need to go back after 3 mths? It’s certainly doable if you’re working from home but you will need childcare. Most nurseries will take babies from that age - find one that will take baby until 5pm. I still exclusively breastfed while DS was at nursery at that age (night feeding exclusively from 6pm-6am, then 200mls of expressed fed in intervals if needed).

Next tell your DH that if he isn’t going to step up for childcare or earn more then he MUST do 100% of the housework, all the nursery drops/pick ups, all the shopping - or the alternative is divorce and he’ll have to pay you CMS.

mrsm43s · 28/09/2023 21:31

SunRainStorm · 28/09/2023 21:07

So his plan is for you:

  • to be the primary breadwinner
  • do the bulk of housework, cooking, cleaning etc; and
  • provide 100% of the childcare while working at the same time.

What is he planning to contribute?

I'd put the baby in nursery so he can't claim he's the primary cared when you divorce him.

The flip side of this, though, is the OP seems to expect him to contribute 50% despite earning far less (except for luxuries she graciously treats him to) and hasn't mentioned how he'd be funded (as the lowest earner paying a larger proportion of his salary towards costs) in his period of shared parental leave.

It's really hard to see who is wrong and who is right here, but I can say clearly that if I was earning less than half of my partner and being expected to pay half of essential household costs, I'd be very, very reluctant to commit to taking on childcare that would mean a loss of my earnings, because it is clear that in that scenario that the higher earner saw their salary as theirs and not family money.

So all income in the pot, bills paid, joint savings topped up, joint (and child) spends accounted and paid for for, remainder split equally for equal spends each regardless of earnings. Once that is done, then it's reasonable to discuss who drops hours at work (with compensation for loss of pension) and what childcare is needed etc, safe in the knowledge that both parents will be financially secure.

On £38K a year, it's reasonably likely that it makes financial sense for OP to be the breadwinner and go to work full time, and him to be the care giver, maybe working part time to keep his skills up to date. And of course chores would fall mainly to the one who works outside of the home, since the SAHP is working 24/7 compared to the workers 8/5. But for sure, the SAHP needs equal access to money plus their pension topped up. And no-one on Mumsnet would be advising a woman who's higher earning partner expected her to contribute 50% to quit/pause their jobs to be a SAHM.

pastaandpesto · 28/09/2023 21:36

OH has 2 older kids from previous relationship and was very resentful towards his ex that he spent all his time at work and she effectively got 5 years off with the kids

Wowzers. What a shitty attitude. Staying at home to look after young children full time can be deeply rewarding but bears absolutely no resemblance to "time off". And the idea that you could WFH while caring for your baby is utterly laughable, especially as he has already done this twice.

I would arrange paid childcare and absolutely do not give yoir financial independence, because his attitude is quite troubling, in a way that may not be as obvious as a first time mother.

mrsm43s · 28/09/2023 21:40

JustAMinutePleass · 28/09/2023 21:31

Are you a contractor - is that why you need to go back after 3 mths? It’s certainly doable if you’re working from home but you will need childcare. Most nurseries will take babies from that age - find one that will take baby until 5pm. I still exclusively breastfed while DS was at nursery at that age (night feeding exclusively from 6pm-6am, then 200mls of expressed fed in intervals if needed).

Next tell your DH that if he isn’t going to step up for childcare or earn more then he MUST do 100% of the housework, all the nursery drops/pick ups, all the shopping - or the alternative is divorce and he’ll have to pay you CMS.

What? No! Why should one parent work full time, do all the housework and do all the nursery drop offs/pick ups, while the other gets to just work full time? Earning more doesn't mean you get a free pass on other aspects of family life (especially when you're keeping your higher earnings for yourself!)

Utterly ridiculous.

Not OK for the higher earner to abuse the lower earner is such a way.

If they both work full time then, regardless of earnings, they should have equal responsibility for chores and child related activities, and equal spending money. Anything else is abusive.

disappearingfish · 28/09/2023 21:45

You need a proper childcare plan. He doesn't want to be at home and you can't afford to.

Save like mad in the months leading up to the birth and be ruthless with your outgoings. If you've quadrupled your salary in 3 years you must have some financial flexibility??

What's your maternity pay like?

Cookiedough123 · 28/09/2023 21:51

@greyA this is so unrelated but please can I ask what you do? I currently kind of work in tech but it’s education related! Feel free if to PM if you’d prefer! Thank you

PinkNailpolish · 28/09/2023 21:54

What is your work's maternity policy? You could go back to work when your baby is 6-12 months old and put her in nursery. You could also go part time for a couple of years. You'd still earn loads considering full time is £80k.