To be profoundly saddened by this story

[Changeditforyou]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12565699/Police-rush-scene-incident-outside-busy-Croydon-shopping-centre.html

They tell us to help our daughters to protect themselves from male violence by thinking about what they wear, how much they drink, how late to stay out, where they go…
Are we supposed to add to the list ‘not rejecting a bunch of flowers in case you get stabbed to death’. This is horrifying.

I’m so so sick of male violence. It feels everywhere and inescapable. More luck than anything that your daughter isn’t the one. This poor girl and her family.

I may be a thief but I'm not a rapist, I'm not an abuser, I'm not a murderer. I have stolen hundreds of pounds worth of merchandise but I am still better than the thousands od vile men that are emboldened to commit such acts. So like I said, I do not care :)

I too, am appalled. My heart aches with what she went through and my thoughts with her family and those who tried to save her. Totally disgusted at this seemingly accepted male on female violence. It seems to be increasing - why? When are those in power gone realise we are not expendable and need protecting just as males. This society need to wake up and put a stop to gender violence and murder. May she RIP.

I rarely cry at news but I did at this. That poor girl. RIP.

I was talking to teen DS and mentioned how it felt even worse that the murderer had run away. That he didn't feel remorse when he saw what he'd done. He didn't try to help her. DS was unsurprised - as he put it - the sort of man who carries flowers and a knife knows that someone is going to get hurt and they've already decided it's ok.

Maybe it is time we had a woman's strike and march.

Men, government, the police, schools, social media companies - none of them give a shit about women and girls. Years ago I read an article about our government's security services infiltrating social media groups, incels, the dark web, etc. They could see the problem of radicalisation of young men. And yet nothing changed. They watched the misogyny and violence and threats grow - and they allowed it to happen. Women and girls are completely dispensable in their view. And I'm ragingly angry about it. We actually need to do something. We can't rely on men or institutions to stop or fix this.

Women are always being told to stop putting up with BS from men, to toughen up, be strong, stop being so fearful, etc., etc., ...... and then look what happens when you say no to a man. All this advice doesn't take into account that women being strong is precisely what enrages men.

I think when I stated ‘I have a penis’ my gender was pretty clear. If your starting point is that I and my sons are responsible for the actions of other people I have never met and so we should be punished for their actions because we share a characteristic with these people I think it unlikely we will find common ground.

Given I and my sons are statistically more likely to suffer violence at the hands of violent men than women, I too would like violent men to be punished/treated/eradicated. Discussions on how this can be done is worthwhile. Saying my children should be locked up or euthanised is not especially productive.

True. But I grew up in London and if you gave me the choice of sending my kids to school in Croydon, or say, Henley-on-Thames, I know which I’d choose.

Anyway, I’m sure lots of people in authority will be along soon to offer ‘Thoughts and Prayers’ so that makes it okay.

even if you refuse to see it you and your sons have benefited from patriarchy

that's what makes women disposable, insignificant, owned, judged and targeted

Start with recognising your privilege and stand up against every little shred of misogyny you see - you'll be very tired after the first 24 hours but it'll be worth it

A man coming on a thread about this to build strawmen tells us everything we need to know about you @jm9138 You're encroaching boundaries here. Your very posts on this thread show your lack of respect for women and your lack of insight into how profoundly male violence affects women's lives. So you do you. And we'll continue to see exactly what you are.

@jm9138 who are you directly your disgruntled post at?

We are not discussing male on male violence in this thread btw.

As for curfews, there have been worse social experiments.

@AlexandriasWindmill well said, the concern is what he is modelling for his sons

This exactly.......strong women, women being strong, men think 'I'll show her, she needs taking down a peg or two, how DARE she'?

It doesn't matter if women are 'strong' or 'weak'; 'old' or 'young'; mothers or wives or gfs or single or lesbians or nuns. It doesn't matter how we dress or how we speak. All we need to do is exist.

So we have to drive our kids to school and tell our girls to be careful they don't get stabbed if they reject a boy??

What is the world coming to?

Those poor, poor parents

Women don't need to be strong, men need to start acting like humans.

The majority, simply, do not give a FUCK.

^^

This. Men don't give a shit. And they have wives, daughters mothers, female colleagues, etc etc , ad nauseam

And still don't care!

Black children do go to fee paying schools too you know…

EXACTLY

Strong - needs taking down a peg or two the bitch
Weak - easy target
Old - gagging for it the harridan
Young - sexy school girls
Mothers - MILFs
Wives/GF - it's my right innit
Lesbians - 20 mins with me and I'll cure her
Nuns - ohhh naughty nuns

There isn't a single aspect of us that isn't 'wrong', doesn't need correcting and isn't pornified - nothing we do can protect us because MEN

PLEASE do start a thread about male on male violence, as you’re so keen to talk about it.
This is not the place for that discussion, as we are talking about male on female violence, and we are anguished and enraged.

I heard of this first thing this morning and I was so shocked. I live in South London but in the Streatham area so not that close to Croydon but it still hit home.

Imagine if the girl left home this morning and never said bye to any parents/siblings because people were busy or they were sleeping. You’d think your child will go to school and make it back safely.

I’m so angry that even younger generations look at girls as their property. ‘She doesn’t want me to I’ll take her life.’ I don’t even understand the mindset and I never will. I wish this never happened. I can’t even imagine what the family is feeling but most of all, this young girl did not deserve to have her life taken.

My little sister is 15 and it makes me realise how young 15 really is. Didn’t even get a chance to sit your GCSEs and start your life properly before a boy took it from you? Absolutely tragic

Just last night on GB News - a man responded to a woman's views by saying ' I wouldn't shag her - no one would shag her'

and the 'news anchor' laughed along with him

it's 2023

In fairness, those adults who removed themselves from the scene weren't necessarily unreasonable. These reasons might have included taking their own or unaccompanied children away from the scene, not having the skills to assist, or fearing that a terrorist attack was in progress and assuming that getting away was the best policy. At least they weren't hanging around, getting in the way, taking photos etc. It is reported that some chased after the protagonist. Some others may have run but then called 999. Some may have gone to get other types of help - one person ran back into work to get clean towels. The bus driver will presumably have had training, was reported to have been assisted by a passenger, and emergency services were on scene within 2 minutes.

Yes it's a terrible day OP. YANBU.

And even now, I worry about threads like this because you just know the MRAs are lurking about and enjoying that we're heartbroken about this girl; that we realise all women and girls are targets and that there are no institutions we can rely on to protect us or uphold our rights.

Fucking male entitlement.

Boys all need to start having serious therapy as kids to deal with their emotions and understand that carrying weapons and being wankers doesn't make them the big guy.

My son said the other day that boys are just as at risk of violence as girls when I discussed the fact I allowed him to walk through a woods to school and don’t allow my daughter. Granted he was mugged 4 weeks ago, also in Croydon. I told him that as horrible as it was (and he was very shaken and actually sobbing about it) it’s not the same as a sex attack. Not at all. He thought about it and agreed. But our boys are at risk too, especially those of us in London’s or inner cities. I’d like to wrap both of mine in cotton wool forever but son has retuned too Uni. I do drive my daughter to school, due to the woods and will just keep doing that until end of year 13, just under 3yrs time. It’s so sad they don’t have the same kind of freedom I did, but I grew up far from london

I think most of us would like LESS killing, actually. How might we get there?