To be profoundly saddened by this story

[Changeditforyou]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12565699/Police-rush-scene-incident-outside-busy-Croydon-shopping-centre.html

They tell us to help our daughters to protect themselves from male violence by thinking about what they wear, how much they drink, how late to stay out, where they go…
Are we supposed to add to the list ‘not rejecting a bunch of flowers in case you get stabbed to death’. This is horrifying.

I’m so so sick of male violence. It feels everywhere and inescapable. More luck than anything that your daughter isn’t the one. This poor girl and her family.

Yes 100%! All of the above are becoming a massive problem with our young men. I don’t know what anyone do about it. Apart from educate our male children. So so sad today.

It’s surreal that kids are carrying machetes! If found to be carrying these weapons they’d should be straight to jail they need to do stop & search simple as …too bad if people are offended I’d it saves lives.

Sadly nothing new about this. In 1978 in leafy Staffordshire my 16 year old neighbour was stabbed to death on the doorstep by a boy she had turned down. To this day I look through the window before opening the front door. Two thirds of violent crime is still committed against men though.

The school she attended is about 1/3 white 1/3 black and 1/3 Asian and a substantial proportion of the girls receive bursaries. So racism and classism are really not relevant here.

While I'll agree with you in that there is a huge problem that's getting worse the only "we" I'd put my name to is that of @neveradullmoment99 as although now mid 30's my DS are a kin to theirs in mannerism as I expect are a good percentage of the people.

The problems come when that remander percentage of life that can't control their own/their DC behaviour have a large say in how "WE" as the rest of society should/must/will have to be made to put up with their behaviour/wrong doing or we're in some way being "ist" and until the badly behaved stop getting rewarded and everything being justified by someone instead of being reprimand nothing will ever change.

I do infact fear it's to late to pull this one back around.

One report said he was wearing a different coloured blazer, which I took to imply he was a pupil at a different school.

This is such a shocking, sickening incident. Absolutely unbelievable the entitlement, arrogance and massive ego. Why do so many teen boys get like this now (although obviously not to this extent)?

I have one of each. Both live in (different) big scary inner cities, both are in their early 20s. I worry about them both constantly but don’t see what is unhelpful about appealing for a calm and rational response and not tarring all men with the “violent, misogyny” brush. I am just as depressed and sickened by this latest attack on a young girl and hope that the person responsible is filled with horror and remorse at his own actions. He has ruined so many lives, including his own. I trust he will receive a lengthy prison term in which to reflect on his actions.

Two thirds of violent crime is still committed against men though.

who by?

Whataboutism isn't useful.

All the NAMALT can do one. We are angry. This is a KNOWN phenomenon. You can carry on excusing them but you are part of the problem.

I’m not sure why people are assuming this girl was white and privileged. Can only white people afford private school?

I believe she was black, based on her family members that have been shown in the press.

Do people not have much experience of private schools in London? They are actually very diverse.

I am a woman, what is wrong with my views?

It says she was 15 then said her school was for 4-11 year olds 🙄

Awful that this happened to your neighbour.
As for the comment about male on male violence. Straw man. Please start a thread about it if you feel strongly about it, but we are discussing this latest example of male on female violence, and there is plenty enough to say about that.

@BreatheAndFocus the school the girl attended is an all girls school so he wouldn't have been a fellow student.

We are ready to pack up and leave London. It’s a fucking crime riddled cesspit and Khan looks the other way.

That poor, poor girl and her family. Just on her way to school. It really does feel like sheer luck if you’ll see your daughters alive again every time they leave the house.

@sourpussextra Old Palace School is for 4 - 18 year old girls.

Also the boy may well be not privileged, new Addington is the cheap end of Croydon which is rough anyway. And she went to a private girls school, so he could have gone to any or no school.

I think it is partly about Croydon (and I live in Croydon) because if this boy hadn't been carrying a machete, the outcome would probably have been very different. Yes, misogyny is nationwide but teenagers carrying lethal weapons, in general, is not. It's much more an issue in places like Croydon than many other areas.

There are two Old Palace sites. The prep site is for 4-11 year olds, then the senior school is for 11-18. Lazy journalism has lifted the info from the wrong page.

Thank you! @PallyRoe

I’m Black. I’m from London. I went to a private girl’s school in London.

I find the instant assumptions of some people on here rather telling.

I have absolutely no problem with women talking about male violence against women, it’s a subject that certainly needs discussing, especially with men. My problem is with some of the comments which have appeared on here which suggest that men generally expect compliance from women or they’ll commit acts of violence against them. That simply isn’t true of most men, but me saying that apparently makes me a terrible person. I also think this appalling murder today is being used on here to further an anti-male agenda, an agenda which sadly seems to simmer throughout many of the threads on Mumsnet.

Eye opening that people are so willing to take away my and my three son’s liberty, label us as a ‘them’ or even ‘vaporise’ the four of us because we were all born with a penis and some other people with penises do some awful things.

Last week i was upstairs putting clothes away when an almighty hula baloo started outside my house. I watched the whole thing unfold. 2 boys we’re having a slanging match with this girl. One of the boys just drops his gym back and pulls out a hammer. They proceeded to chase each other up and down the street. The girl yielding a very large knife gets a bottle smashed over her head. This world is terrifying.

Not the correct time or place for the “not all menzzzz” war cry. And I say that as the mother of a son. Off you trot.

This really hit.

Just waiting for some fucking woke twat to cite 'Crime of Passion'. This is nothing to do with passion. It is a Hate Crime.

Who is to blame? I'd start with:

Andrew Tate et al and their incel rooted fucking hate speech
Specific Rappers/Grime Artists and their culture of portraying women as sexual possessions
Porn industry for making boys believe that girls desperately want them
Sadiq Khan and the Met Police for dicking about on Instagram to look cool and pussy footing around in case of causing offense, instead of coming down hard on knife crime

Not parents (in the main). Not schools. Not Kids mentors and youth workers - most of whom are doing their best against an absolute deluge of misogynistic, anti-women culture that is all over our music, our social media and as the news would tell us, even our police force.

It's a fucking mess.

It's a horrific terrible thing.

Please god let this be the moment where the people in power are finally shamed into making change happen. I don't know where you start but stop and search with hard and enforced penalty for carrying a weapon would be something. RIP that poor poor girl.

It’s not a London thing. It happened in our local area in a pretty village in Wiltshire.