To intensely dislike Keir Starmer

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I can't stand Tories.
The current Tories are the worst

But I still intensely dislike Keir Starmer and will probably vote Green.

I find him phony, with no vision, like a terrible 6th form prefect. And to be honest his whole front bench are dreadful. Wes Streeting nauseates me.

Is it just me?

About 80% of the British press is strong Tory.

As for the BBC, anyone who calls the BBC left wing can only mean the creative staff, who make the “woke” TV dramas etc…. which are basically just a smokescreen for the rampant right wing bias in BBC News, Politics and Current Affairs. The BBC is as establishment as it gets, and in Britain the last half century (at minimum) that means firmly right wing. And let’s not even bother right now going into how many key figures at the BBC are dyed in the would Tory Party supporters/affiliates.

Same. I'll never trust people who will lie about reality and biology. No women have penises, Keir. Not one single one of us.

Oh ffs!!!
Apparently being erased as a sex has very little effect on our lives?? Well that is the Labour position, so good to know. Thanks

Incorrect. Many do stop and think about it and see that men included as women and denying women rights as a sex class is hugely concerning. In law and practise

I think his motto in politics must be Never A Fence Left Unsat.

You know what, I’d far rather have a slightly dull but fundamentally decent man as PM, than the current bunch of self-serving arseholes.

Maybe you should turn off the BBC then, like I do because I think it’s massively conservative. What are you watching that I should be, so I can get my pro-Labour content?

Yes, I agree with everything you have said, and I was concerned after posting that people would think I was minimising the gender issue. I, too am extremely concerned about this. I am just so worried about the consequences, if this is what allows the Tories back in. As someone else said, we have to continue to fight on these issues. My thought was,making it the decisive factor in whether or not the Tories get back in, would be an enormous risk, because of the damage Tory policies will do to everyone, men and women.

More on his lies -

Look, I don’t particularly like his policies so far. I feel he is isn’t allowing different voices within the party and isn’t focused nearly enough on climate breakdown and reducing inequality to my mind. BUT

At the moment I’d have my Uncle’s cat in power rather than the current bunch of lying, greedy, corrupt psychopaths. Kier would, I’m pretty sure, be better than Henry the cat. He’s calm, collected and has previously acted in line with a strong set of values.

Would I date him? No. Would I chose him for a wild night out? No. Would I trust him to look after my DC. Yes!! would I trust him to stay with me and call an ambulance if he found me unconscious on the street? Yes! He’s caring and dependable. He’s not charismatic and exciting. Rishi isn’t exactly exciting. He’s like a small child playing at being a grown up.

But what characteristics do we want in a PM? Government isn’t reality TV. It’s real life and effects us all. Our lives literally depend on politics. The pandemic showed us that. Decisions at the top in every country around the world literally saved lives and led to deaths.

There is no Green candidate here. The Green Party aren’t ready to Govern generally. Sadly.

I feel like Kier will do well in terms of being honest with us, will do his best to look after us, whilst getting the economy back on its feet. He will be focused on the job and I truly believe he will do his absolute best and has a strong skill set. He’s far more knowledgeable and intelligent than the current lot.

I think in the event of a situation like a pandemic he’d be calm and measured (not go around boasting about shaking hands against medical advice, see it as an opportunity for his mates to make money and then party while the rest of us sat alone at loved ones funerals). He will be calm and dependable and will, as he had to do within his legal career, manage lots of different information, advice and research, process and assimilate it and then use it and his values to make decisions. He will use his brain and his humanity to make decisions. Not his ego. I feel confident of that from what I’ve seen so far.

I think on the global stage he has credibility and gravitas and won’t make us a laughing stock like the current lot (oh the embarrassment of Boris and Truss).

Im going to vote for them because here, they are the only possibility of ousting the Tory, self serving, sleaze bucket we currently have locally.

My worst fear is Labour will continue its middle of the road, lukewarm policies on social inequality and climate and we will be in a slightly better position than we are now, because at least he’s a grown up and at least he’ll be honest.

My best hope is that things are quiet and middle of the road now, in order to not make any negative headlines and that the party are getting themselves ready for an exciting party conference and storming election and will get into power with some strong plans to get us to net zero, get infrastructure in place to cope with extremes of weather and will pay for all of this by taxing WEALTH more, rather than raising income tax thus reducing inequality and making house ownership more widely achievable.

Something in between those two is the most likely I guess.

What is abundantly clear to me is that anything (literally anything) would be better than the current lot, who can’t even be relied upon for the one thing they claim is their ‘thing’ - a strong and healthy economy. Trickle down economics DOESN’T work guys!!! Unless your aim is to make the already very wealthy, even more wealthy, at the expense (in terms of money, health and well-being) of the rest of us.

I will be voting Labour unless something very drastic changes.

Nope. The BBC news channels on tv and radio are so biased and so far from impartial. It’s like a giant Labour brain washing scheme. Endless campaigning for Labour.

The only fly in the ointment is the content is written by a leftie elitist - checked by an echo chamber and goes down like a cup of cold vomit with the electorate.

Too long

Agree

So you are saying it’s an ineffective, shit brain-washing scheme? Doesn’t sound very threatening tbh and doesn’t seem to have actually harmed the Tories in any way to date…?

@CurlewKate ageist comments against Jeremy Corbyn, making fun of dementia. Having lost people I love to dementia I really don't find that funny, and for it to come from the Shadow Health Secretary is absolutely vile. Plus he doesn't support the junior doctors strikes which I think is pathetic from someone working class.

I think he came into politics with the right morals but like so many others has been completely corrupted by the environment and has come to the conclusion he likes power more than he cares about other people so has aligned himself with Starmer and the rest of the right wing horrors currently destroying the Labour Party.

Polling shows otherwise, its just not a thing for the vast majority, people may care (a bit) but in comparison to kids not attending school, housing, health, climate change, migration, transport and roads - Trans is way down the list.

Its just another culture war dreamt up by the Tories, whose supporters seem to forget that its the Cons that have trashed women's rights, from SureStart to Prisons to Schools to failure to get us HRT.

My DD sees the end results of the Trans debates in her work in MH.

BTW i don't particularly like Starmer, however what will sway my vote is their manifesto which isn't yet out.

Truss's ludicrous speech was the first story on the news a couple of days ago Lastchance. Admittedly it was so stupid that giving it any attention could be seen as propaganda, but it was neutrally reported. What do you think should be done differently?

Congratulations on that fact free diatribe!

just another culture war

Women’s rights are not a ‘culture war’ as much as the left try to use that excuse and some pick up on same language

Others may not care, and are fine to go with TRA stance but no thanks

I want legislative change to protect women’s rights as a sex class.

You really destroyed my argument with that “Nope” and the devastating fact free paragraph that followed!

Imo, I can't see how it could possibly be described as unfounded when predatory men have already claimed a trans identity to get into women's prisons, and women's hospital wards, and then carried out sexual assaults once there.

I'm not going to even get into the women who have been raped/assaulted before and are just too traumatised to share intimate spaces with male bodied individuals. The physical threats alone should be sufficient to make this a concern, let alone everything else that this would usher in.

I am fucking raging about the misogyny inherent in our society, and the fact that women are never listened to. We just don't matter. Our safety is always fair game.

But all of that aside...

The Tories are banging the "we know what a woman is" drum because they know it's one of the few real points they can make successfully. Other parties have given them this advantage by having terrible policies on self-ID and refusing to give honest answers in interviews.

Of course the bloody Tories aren't doing this altruistically. They couldn't give less of a shit about women. It's just a point-scoring exercise, and they've done absolutely nothing to further women's rights during their time in power.

Re the Tories voting against the inclusion of misogyny - their reason was that the Law Commission had advised it could have "unintended consequences" ie/making it more difficult to prosecute rape and sexual assault under the more serious category.

Believe me, I'm loathe to defend the Tories, and I'm not sure how much that reasoning stacks up, but it was the conclusion of the Law Commission so maybe the Tories aren't entirely to blame.

I don't think anyone really believes that the Tories are suddenly concerned about women. But if it achieves the desired effect then many women are prepared to hold their nose and vote for them.

For lots of women, this is a single vote issue and although the Tories don't actually care, the end result would mean that by default, women's identity and ergo their safety would be preserved. Everything else would still be fucked but it's all about personal priorities.

And this is the dilemma that many women are facing. Many of us just don't feel able to vote for the Tories - but failing to vote for someone else is essentially a passive vote for the Tories. We really do need Labour to come through on this. And sharpish.

KS is the least of the problems. The full on haters of the left party would be a real concern for me.

Boris and Truss are gone but I would like to see if the extremists of the left would leave. Once elected they tend to stick no matter what. Sadiq Khan worst London Mayor ever would not resign not matter what cock ups he is made. In fact he is hoping for a third term.

Lol!

Only a paid up member of the Conservatives could dream that up.

One only has to listen to how Labour and LD politicians are drilled about costings over any policy idea they might have, yet e.g. a tory minister will say "we spend 1.5bn on CV catch up" and is never ever asked "How will you afford this...?"

Its only really in their comedy output that the BBC is rather biased but lets face it, the Govt is a never ending source of farce and debacle.

‘Culture wars’ really is dreamt up by left wing and TRAs in the hope women won’t notice their rights as a sex class are being eroded

It minimises so women don’t notice

They will notice when a male wins at their sports though

Or when children are subject to gender indoctrination in schools

Or Isla Bryson. Good luck with that.

Well, i respect that pov but the fact remains is that the vast majority don't care, they see it for what it is, a diversion from peoples real lives, so my MIL final got her hip operation 4 years after first referred, a friend who has lost her leg is still waiting for an OT assessment some 18 months after first told she needs one.

How is that "respecting" womens rights.?

I also want womens rights respected, maintained and improved but from my experience over the last decade or so, its the Tories that have trashed them - did they do a single thing about men in womens and girls sports? nope didn't lift a finger.

The Tories stopped misogyny being out lawed, says it all.